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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne in
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i just read this.

the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.

i recommend this:.
vienne

Buy the book I noted above. It contains what remains of the Ross transcript. Easy for you to do, and it's inexpensive. You can also find extracts from the transcript at truthhistory.blogspot.com
As far as Ross's ethics go, see footnote 236, pages 49-50 of Separate Identity, volume one: "Ross claimed at various times to have graduated from Woodstock College and McMaster University. While he attended both, he graduated from neither. An anonymous pamphlet published by members of the Vancouver Baptist Ministerial Association exposed Ross. (Statement of Facts Relative to J. J. Ross, D.D., Vancouver, B. C., 1926) See: John Byron Richards: Baptists in British Columbia: A Struggle to Maintain “Sectarianism,” Master’s Thesis, University of British Columbia, 1964, page 147."
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i just read this.

the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.

i recommend this:.
vienne

I see you can cut and paste. but none of this is relevant to the Ross case.
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i just read this.

the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.

i recommend this:.
vienne

Each denomination set it's own method of ordination. The charge that Russell wasn't 'ordained' was no more than saying, "we didn't ordain him, so he's not ordained." But the same standard was not applied by Baptists to Lutherans. It is a red herring.
The Brooklyn Eagle chose segments of the divorce transcript to help bolster it's case. It was being sued by Russell. So it was running a propaganda campaign. And as such, it omitted anything that refuted Mrs. Russell's testimony.
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i just read this.

the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.

i recommend this:.
vienne

Wrong transcript. That's from the 1907 suit for separate maintenance. Not from the Ross trial. And it omits Russell's rebuttal.
In the Russell era, most pastors especially among Methodists, Baptists, and some of the smaller sects where ordained by congregation election. And most were not college graduates. Some branches of the Methodist Church did not require a university education until 1940. Russell was 'ordained' in the same way, that is by congregation election.
His doctrines were on the fringe. But ordination is a false issue. If we blacken Russell's reputation instead of refuting his doctrine, we fall into one of the worst of logic flaws. And as far was this section of the divorce [from bed and board] trial went, where does Mrs. Russell claim he was immoral? On cross she specifically said she was not making that claim. She also failed to call or get an affidavit from Rose Ball, whose address she very well knew, so all of this is an unsupported claim. Read the entire transcript.
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i just read this.

the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.

i recommend this:.
vienne

Unfortunately, Ross was a notorious liar. He claimed an education he did not possess and he purposely misquoted the transcript.
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i just read this.

the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.

i recommend this:.
vienne

I just read this. The author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer. I recommend this:
https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/09/the-ross-libel-trial.html
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Ernie Fyans, JW elder CSA abuser from "Palmer Leaks" sentenced in Maine today
by EasyPrompt in
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2. child-abuse
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https://x.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1704588790730256487?s=20.
vienne

Absolutely disgusting.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
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2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

I'm not convinced Cara is a her/she.
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The pushing berween the K of N and K of S
by Kosonen in
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2. friends
the brics summit was big this year.

new member states were added.

interesting that they call themselves the global south.
vienne

Kosonen is another who thinks he's God's modern day prophet. His posts are always cringe-worthy. They're on the same level as past Watchtower expositions. And just as worthless.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

Lloyd has become the Harold Stassen of xJW "activists". Always coming in second or third or seventh.

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Posts by vienne

Kosonen is another who thinks he's God's modern day prophet. His posts are always cringe-worthy. They're on the same level as past Watchtower expositions. And just as worthless.