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  Who Was The Biggest Jackass Circuit Overseer You Ever Met?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there was on older white-haired circuit overseer in houston around 1989 or 1990. last name started with a w i think.... not sure though.

  even the most brain-dead robotic elders told me he was offensive.

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  They don't reject it. They see it differently than you do. The difference is not a rejection. Instead, they focus on a narrow definition of the parties to the covenant. Historically this traces from a narrow set of 18th and 19th Century Anglican Clergy and German Evangelicals.

  They teach that all Christians benefit from the Covenant.

  Are they right? Sigh. Many think not. Does it disqualify them as Christians? Christianity has been very diverse since Paul's day. God will determine who and what he accepts. That's not up to us. We are responsible, however, for what we believe and teach.

  Presuming that Witness definition of the New Covenant is not what Paul taught is insufficient. If we're going to argue it out with Witnesses we must present proof, not merely citing Galatians. They, of course, could cite those verses and apply them to you.
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  Who Was The Biggest Jackass Circuit Overseer You Ever Met?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there was on older white-haired circuit overseer in houston around 1989 or 1990. last name started with a w i think.... not sure though.

  even the most brain-dead robotic elders told me he was offensive.

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  I was with mom when she met K. Little. So my opinion is based on a childhood memory. But I liked him then. Neither mom nor I were ever Witnesses though, and had we been my opinion might be different.

  My Austrian-born Great Grandmother was a Witness. She died before I was born. I have aunts who are Witnesses, and two of my sisters are. Uncles by marriage and my one living grand uncle are Witnesses, most of them elders. There's a wide mix of personalities and sensibleness. One of my uncles by marriage is ... 'off.' He makes me uncomfortable, and I can't imagine anyone asking him for Scriptural counsel. A distant cousin -first cousin twice removed is the technical term - is at Warwick Bethel. I'd never ask him for 'scriptural help' either. This is the long path around my point: Personalities and a sense of entitlement differ among Witnesses in general and among Watchtower Elders. Some are 'gems,' and some are incurable fools..
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  Why Was WT OK with Blood Transfusions for over 65 Years Before Banning?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  blood transfusion history.

  1665 the first recorded successful blood transfusion occurs in england: physician richard lower keeps dogs alive by transfusion of blood from other dogs.. 1818 james blundell performs the first successful blood transfusion of human blood to treat postpartum hemorrhage.. 1840 the first whole blood transfusion to treat hemophilia is successfully completed.. 1900 karl landsteiner discovers the first three human blood groups, a, b and o.. 1902 landsteiner’s colleagues, alfred decastello and adriano sturli, add a fourth blood type, ab.. 1907 blood typing and cross matching between donors and patients is attempted to improve the safety of transfusions.

  the universality of the o blood group is identified.. 1914 adolf hustin discovers that sodium citrate can anticoagulate blood for transfusion, allowing it to be stored and later transfused safely to patients on the battlefield.. 1932 the first blood bank is established at leningrad hospital.. 1939-1940 the rh blood group is discovered and recognized as the cause behind most transfusion reactions.. 1940 the us government establishes a nationwide blood collection program.. so from the beginning of the watchtower being printed in 1879, they were ok with blood transfusions until 1945. what caused this?

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  As my mom had it in her research notes, two Witness doctors in Arizona had a Witness patient that refused blood based on Acts 15:29. The wrote to the Society hoping for an answer that would encourage their patient to take a needed blood transfusion. The Society's response was that Christians should not take blood; the 1945 blood articles followed. Rejection of blood transfusion was reflexive, a response to outside question. In this the Society followed the example set in 1935 over flag salute where a letter from a young person prompted a review of the matter.
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  In Defense of the Crusades

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics.

  muslims really were gunning for them.

  by the time the crusades started, muslims had already captured two-thirds of the christian world.

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  there's a movie based on the Siege of Vienne and Sobieski's part in it. Fun move.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zCv0AHnCs
  
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  In Defense of the Crusades

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics.

  muslims really were gunning for them.

  by the time the crusades started, muslims had already captured two-thirds of the christian world.

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  I agree, this is too long for this type of forum. It should find a place on a focused blog where readers expect something like this.

  And it's his first post that isn't totally filled with logic flaws and false reasoning. There are some good points here, the best of which is noting the need to put things in their proper historical context. One of the few modern writers to do this when considering the Crusades - and to comment on the need - is Richard Fletcher in his The Cross and the Crescent.

  Aqw is - in my critical opinion - primarily an autodidact. Nothing wring with that except that it tends to produce writers who stuff words in a shotgun and shoot them at the page. I'd much rather see articles like this but in a much more concise form.
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  My latest letter to the WT organization

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
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  may 14, 2024. hello brothers at the writing committee.

  many brothers and sisters are wondering when will the end come?

  we were supposed to live in the last days of the last days as brother lett told a couple of years ago.

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  I doubt he will get a response. I interviewed someone from the writing department. Among the things he said was, "We don't answer every letter we receive." But if they do answer, I'd love to see it.

  A claim to divine anointing means nothing to them. Many claim that, and there is no way to prove it.
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  Mystery Man - Okay all you amateur historians and genealogists ...

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  william sultzer was a business associate of albert delmont jones, a partner in the acquisition of farm land in new york state.

  a. d. jones was for a while a watch tower writer and evangelist.

  uncle b tasked me with finding his biography, even a simple one.

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  William Sultzer was a business associate of Albert Delmont Jones, a partner in the acquisition of farm land in New York State. A. D. Jones was for a while a Watch Tower writer and evangelist.

  Uncle B tasked me with finding his biography, even a simple one. I've failed thus far. Can you succeed?

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2024/05/a-d-jones-again.html
  
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  Need help identifying a book

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello all.. i could use some help identifying the title of a wt book that i read back in the early 90's.

  it was an older book when i read it.

  i wish that i could recall more than i do.

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  Jeff wrote: :it's not the first time, I (and others) have inexplicably had entirely reasonable comments downvoted, and it's usually not just an innocent mistake."

  It happens to me on a fairly regular basis. It's just part of this forum - a bit annoying, but people are free to do it, and I wouldn't stop them if I could.
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  Need help identifying a book

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello all.. i could use some help identifying the title of a wt book that i read back in the early 90's.

  it was an older book when i read it.

  i wish that i could recall more than i do.

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  Jeff,

  I'm responible. It was meant as an up vote. I've repaired the error
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  Vomit Eaters and Filthy Whores

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower characterizes christians not affiliated with the watchtower corporation as vomit eaters and filthy whores: .

  “how well they pictured the spiritual drunkards of christendom at the present time!

  besides actual wine and intoxicating liquors, there are other things to intoxicate the priests and preachers in christendom so as to induce drowsiness in them, to make them reel, to confuse things before their religious vision, to induce them to belch out the vomit of spiritually filthy things” - w59 3/1 pp.

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  You left out the scriptures the WT cited. They explain the illusions. And I'm fairly certain that something from 1959 would have NO effect on committed believers.

  That aside, I'm comfortable seeing Prosperity Gospel/Faith Healers in that light. Okay you can down vote my post now.