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  I need things ...

  by vienne in

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  2. beliefs

  earliest issues of zion's day star, except for one, seem not to exist.

  i have access to some scattered issues of a. p. adams' spirit of the word.

  [sorry, i do not have permission to make copies.].

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  vienne

  that was quick. I no longer need any issues of The Bulletin.
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  I need things ...

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  earliest issues of zion's day star, except for one, seem not to exist.

  i have access to some scattered issues of a. p. adams' spirit of the word.

  [sorry, i do not have permission to make copies.].

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  vienne

  Earliest issues of Zion's Day Star, except for one, seem not to exist. Anyone have them?

  I have access to some scattered issues of A. P. Adams' Spirit of the Word. Anyone? [Sorry, I do not have permission to make copies.]

  The Bulletin for 1920, 1930 and 1933. I need all issues. Anyone?

  I appreciate any help,

  Annie
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  What was covered up in your congregation??

  by karter in

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  2. scandals

  family move to remote pacific island to serve were the need is great get a mention in the year book.. however one of the (married) boys in the large family has sex with his sister while his wife is in hospital giving birth to their child.

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  all hushed up not even a word said and hes now an elder d.fing people for lesser crimes.. young couple dating leave the jws and move in togather doing drugs partying ect.. his family grandfather,uncles, dad ect are all elders.. after a few years they decide to come back to the jws and are married in the k.h a few months latter.. 1 elder questions them getting married in the k.h and is voted down by his family.. to many drunks and c.s.a to mention.. karter..

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  Thanks K
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  What was covered up in your congregation??

  by karter in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  family move to remote pacific island to serve were the need is great get a mention in the year book.. however one of the (married) boys in the large family has sex with his sister while his wife is in hospital giving birth to their child.

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  all hushed up not even a word said and hes now an elder d.fing people for lesser crimes.. young couple dating leave the jws and move in togather doing drugs partying ect.. his family grandfather,uncles, dad ect are all elders.. after a few years they decide to come back to the jws and are married in the k.h a few months latter.. 1 elder questions them getting married in the k.h and is voted down by his family.. to many drunks and c.s.a to mention.. karter..

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  vienne

  what island was this? Niue, perhaps?
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  What has the Spiritual Paradise of the WTS been over time

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  the first mention i find in the wts publications is 1958. although the wts says the index goes from 1930 to 1985, nothing appears before 1958 a search only found by using the phrase "spiritual paradise" not in the index.

  in 2015 there was a clarification of the phrase "of course, we should not conclude that the terms “spiritual paradise” and “spiritual temple” are the same.

  the spiritual temple is god’s arrangement for true worship.".

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  My outsider's view is that Witness congregations are in constant turmoil. That's not a paradise.
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  JE-sus making a comeback at the 2024 Convention

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  attended the friday sesson of the 2024 summer convention.. july 5, 2024 summer convention crowd photo; they invited quite a lot of empty chairs.. .

  the facility usually has 5500-6500. they spun it saying that fewer congregations were assigned.

  there were 6 of the smaller, more distant sections blocked off with tarps to lessen cleaning, which i understand.

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  vienne

  I don't defend anyone. What I defend is ethical practice. You make up almost every claim you make. That's immoral and unethical. Take your meds, Frag.
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  JE-sus making a comeback at the 2024 Convention

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  attended the friday sesson of the 2024 summer convention.. july 5, 2024 summer convention crowd photo; they invited quite a lot of empty chairs.. .

  the facility usually has 5500-6500. they spun it saying that fewer congregations were assigned.

  there were 6 of the smaller, more distant sections blocked off with tarps to lessen cleaning, which i understand.

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  vienne

  Frag,

  It's past time to restart your meds.
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  The Phenomenology of Sectarianism

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the analysis of sectarianism has topical relevance today, and increasingly so.

  however, the scarcity and insignificance of the responses to the challenge of sectarianism create the impression as if, for some unknown reason, the historical churches would avoid this challenge.

  they usually satisfy themselves with emphasizing the dangers of sectarianism and the sweeping condemnation of sects - which, although often true, does not delve into the depths of the phenomenon; and does not help those who it is intended for to understand; or they point to the heretical nature of individual sects, the distortions in their teachings, their lack of catholicity, and usually do not omit the self-critical observation that in terms of trust and faith, community, and devotion, we too can learn a lot from them.

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  And ... as always, your essay is way too long for this forum. Few here will read it. IF you wish for a critique there are those here more than capable of giving you an informed one. Ask for it.
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  The Phenomenology of Sectarianism

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the analysis of sectarianism has topical relevance today, and increasingly so.

  however, the scarcity and insignificance of the responses to the challenge of sectarianism create the impression as if, for some unknown reason, the historical churches would avoid this challenge.

  they usually satisfy themselves with emphasizing the dangers of sectarianism and the sweeping condemnation of sects - which, although often true, does not delve into the depths of the phenomenon; and does not help those who it is intended for to understand; or they point to the heretical nature of individual sects, the distortions in their teachings, their lack of catholicity, and usually do not omit the self-critical observation that in terms of trust and faith, community, and devotion, we too can learn a lot from them.

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  aq,

  Ignoring the flawed content, your writing is not concise. It is verbose. That makes your readers pause either to translate or leading them to stop reading. Your first paragraph is an example.

  You wrote:

  The analysis of sectarianism has topical relevance today, and increasingly so. However, the scarcity and insignificance of the responses to the challenge of sectarianism create the impression as if, for some unknown reason, the historical churches would avoid this challenge. They usually satisfy themselves with emphasizing the dangers of sectarianism and the sweeping condemnation of sects - which, although often true, does not delve into the depths of the phenomenon; and does not help those who it is intended for to understand; or they point to the heretical nature of individual sects, the distortions in their teachings, their lack of catholicity, and usually do not omit the self-critical observation that in terms of trust and faith, community, and devotion, we too can learn a lot from them. However, this is far too little. The present study does not wish to deal with doctrinal issues or the specifics of individual sects, but restricts itself solely to a general phenomenological description of sectarianism, naturally revealing the appropriate causes and drawing conclusions.

  What you intend is:

  An analytical approach to “sectarianism” is increasingly relevant. Traditional churches avoid this, satisfied with emphasizing perceived dangers of newer, untraditional groups, avoiding in-depth consideration of the causes and content of alternative beliefs. Describing newer systems as heretical fails; that simply means “we don’t agree with them” and ignores what we can learn from them. [Insert quotation from Hilaire Belloc: The Great Heresies or from Schulz and de Vienne: Separate Identity to that effect. A BRIEF quotation.]

  This essay does not consider doctrinal issues but presents only a general study of “sectarianism,” its causes, and the author’s conclusions.

  Note: Sociologists might be pleased with the phrase “a general phenomenological description,” but it is nearly meaningless. It’s an “insider” phrase that is best translated into plain English.

  If you keep your first sentence (“The analysis of sectarianism has topical relevance today, and increasingly so.”) drop the comma. It’s misplaced.
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  Do we have "original" indipendent documents proving that Rutherford was an alcoholic?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was wondering if you could prove with "original" independent documents that rutherford was an alcoholic.... .

  i read penton, but since he is a former jw he could not be considered an independent source.... .

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  Thanks Pete