Posts by vienne

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Maybe you can help with this?

by vienne in

as some of you know, i'm not a witness, but i am the co-author of a series of history book that discuss the watch tower's earliest years.

russell mentions a 'brother' van der ahe as an early days wt evangelist.

we can't identify him.

vienne

No. W. E. Van Amburgh comes into the picture much later.

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Maybe you can help with this?

by vienne in

as some of you know, i'm not a witness, but i am the co-author of a series of history book that discuss the watch tower's earliest years.

russell mentions a 'brother' van der ahe as an early days wt evangelist.

we can't identify him.

As some of you know, I'm not a Witness, but I am the co-author of a series of history book that discuss the Watch Tower's earliest years. Russell mentions a 'brother' van der Ahe as an early days WT evangelist. We can't identify him. This is what we have:

We don’t know who “Brother” van der Ahe was. Possible candidates are two Pittsburgh residents living and working near the Russell’s Fifth Avenue store. The Pittsburgh directories spell the name as Vandera. Thurston’s 1869 Directory lists William, a salesman, and Louis, a shoemaker. There is no firm identification of Van der Ahe. - From a chapter that will appear in Separate Identity volume 2.

Some of you are adept researchers. Can you solve this problem?

Rachael

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what is the rarest JW book?

by dogon in

what is the rarest jb book ever printed?

i just bought a copy of the finished mystery and it can be a bit rare.

but i bet there are others much more rare.

vienne

Rarest are 1. Three Worlds by Barbour; 2. First [188] edition of Day Dawn by J. H. Paton, funded by Russell; 3. Food for Thinking Christians; 4. All the Bible Student's tracts [1881] especially Tract 6 by A. D. Jones [One known original survives.] 5. A true first printing of Plan of the Ages; 6. Finished Mystery booklet. Advertising booklet printed for colporteurs and never used because of ban. 7. 1959 version of of Kingdom Ministry Course.

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Looking for an original copy of The Finished Mystery 1918

by dogon in

if anyone has a original copy of the finished mystery 1918 they would sell contact me at [email protected].

vienne

They show up on ebay regularly. Check there. 1st [1917] edition is expensive, later editions not so much.

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"The Jehovah Witness Movement is Zionist," a creation of the pen of Father

by Rig Boy in

"the jehovah witness movement is zionist," a creation of the pen of father dr. peter madrus.

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category: news & opinion (specific) topic: religion and spirituality: judaism - opposing views

vienne

What utter nonsense.

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Has anyone done a point by point refutation of Fritz Springmeier's The Watchtower and the Masons: A Preliminary Investigation?

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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is there a point by point refutation of that book?it's the source of all of the "russell was a mason" conspiracy.

i started reading the book and i noticed some pretty obvious holes in the argument... for example, he writes that the pyramid-shaped monument is "proof" and we all know it isn't.here is the book if you want to check it out.https://archive.org/details/fritzspringmeierthewatchtowerandthemasons1990_201603.

vienne

Commonly, Masonic halls were rented out for public events. That Russell used them is not exceptional.

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Could a petition to make shunning illegal work?

by aboveusonlysky in

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we're currently watching leah remini's series about scientology and the main thing she seems to focus on is the shunning policies of the scientology organization which let's face it are very similar to jw procedure.. i was wondering with all that's in the media recently about bullying could a petition be put together to get the goverment to consider making religiously mandated shunning illegal?

has such a thing been tried before?.

https://petition.parliament.uk/help says the following - .

vienne

I don't have a stake in this issue. I'm not a Witness. But I have an observation. The right to choose our associates is part of what makes us free people. In America the right of free association is a human and constitutional right. Part of that right is the ability to decline associations which we reject.

It does not matter if an organization tells us with whom to associate. The right is our own, and we are responsible for the final decision. Being ostracized is an uncomfortable and unhappy circumstance. Few like the consequences of ostracism. But it is a human right to choose or reject an associate.

Making ostracism illegal would have consequences few would like. If the state can alter your choice of friend or associate or it can put you into religious, political or social association you reject, you have lost your freedom.

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Who is B.W. Schulz? Anyone know?

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am writing an article on whether c.t.

russell was a mason.

i am of the opinion that he was not, given the evidence.. i just bought b.w.

vienne

Yes, I have read them. We haven't used any of them as a resource. Breninge's book is interesting, though I think he drifts into well-trodden and sometimes wrong ground. Garbe's book is outside our era of interest, and I'm probably not competent enough to comment on it.

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