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  Jack Felix

  by vienne in

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  j. felix was a long-term circuit overseer in the uk and the author of the 1973 yearbook history of the work in the uk.

  can you add to this brief biography?.

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  I'm told Felix is dead, which is a shame. I'd like to talk to him about a point in the 1973 Yearbook history. Everyone who knew him seems to have liked him.
  
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  Jack Felix

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  j. felix was a long-term circuit overseer in the uk and the author of the 1973 yearbook history of the work in the uk.

  can you add to this brief biography?.

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  J. Felix was a long-term Circuit Overseer in the UK and the author of the 1973 Yearbook history of the work in the UK. Can you add to this brief biography?
  
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  More scullduggery in the New World Translation?

  by NikL in

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  i was reading in jude last night in the esv bible.. i came across this little gem as i was falling asleep and woke right up.. jude 1:5.

  5 now i want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that jesus, who saved a people out of the land of egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

  jesus who saved a people out of egypt?

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  Just a survey

  by Homer notsimpson in

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  just to get others opinions and experiences.

  out of everyone in the jw organization, how many do you think never get caught doing a "gross sin "?

  and how many do you think actually get caught?

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  Got caught? Most recent information I have is very old, late 1970s convention talk outline. Then it was 50-60 thousand a year disfellowshipped. The number 'reproved' is not given.
  
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  Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

  by NikL in

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  2. beliefs

  i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

  any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

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  You may want to note that the discussion of the Israel of God in this comment trail is a replay of that between Adventists and Age to Come believers from the 1830s onward. The Watchtower has been on both sides of the issue.
  
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  Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

  any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

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  Steve2,

  No, that's historically inaccurate. Russel taught a '2 class' doctrine that he derived from writers such as William Trotter [Plain Papers on Prophetic and other Subjects.] and M.P. Baxter [Louis Napoleon: The Destined Monarch of the World]. Russellites really had a three class system. 1. The Little Flock, anointed and limited to 144K. 2. The Great Crowd, somehow less faithful than the Little Flock but destined to heavenly life. 3. Vast majority of humans destined to live in a paradise earth.
  
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  Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

  any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus is the ransom for all. They also teach that he is Mediator only for the 144K. This causes confusion. They teach that Jesus is mediator of the New Covenant and that the covenant is only between God and the heavenly congregation. So in their view he does not mediate anything for anyone other than the 144K. Jesus propitiates for all. He is intercessor for all. He is not mediator for all.
  

  This seems to cause endless confusion.
  
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  Legalities around summarising Ray Franz's book 'Crisis of Conscience'

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  just looking for some advice.

  i know there has been a lot of discussion around the book 'crisis of conscience' and copyright infringement on this forum.

  hence the reason for my question.. in 2004, i couldn't believe my luck in finding this book in the city library.

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  If you don't quote extensively from the book; if you put everything in your own words, it's a new product. If you quote extensively you run afoul of the fair use provision of copyright law. Fair use allows only minor extracts for educational and review purposes.
  
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  REVEALED: Remarkable Activities of Unusual Religious Sect

  by darkspilver in

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  interesting article.

  3,800 words long.

  so it's a 'long read'.

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  A number of statements in this article cannot be taken at face value. Among them is the claim that Russell was worth two hundred fifty thousand dollars in 1884. In fact, he was fairly wealthy in terms of 1884 dollars, but his actual net worth was about fifty thousand dollars. He spent about 38,000 dollars on the printing and circulation of Food for Thinking Christians between 1881 and 1884. This was a money losing proposition since the small book resulted in some but not many converts.
  
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  REVEALED: Remarkable Activities of Unusual Religious Sect

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
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  interesting article.

  3,800 words long.

  so it's a 'long read'.

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  I cannot address Watch Tower finances during the Rutherford era. During Russell's administration they were shaky and by 1916 the Society was nearly broke. This was partly due to Russell's obsessive need to see his books circulated. He let colporteur accounts fall ten thousand dollars in arrears, only to be bailed out by a wealthy adherent. A court examination of Society accounts in 1911 showed that his books were a money losing proposition.

  Russell may have been a fanatic, but he didn't make money from his writing. His goal was to spread Watch Tower doctrine at any cost.