Posts by vienne

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Pastor Russell letters?

by vienne in

most of those who read my comments and posts here know i'm not a witness but a historian who writes about them.

as my writing partner and i near completion of volume 2 of separate identity, we need scans of any letters, post cards or what have you written by russell, any of his associates or any pre-1916 adherent - no matter how insignificant they may appear.. can you helps with this?

we also need clear scans of watch tower convention programs from that era.. i appreciate any help that comes my way.. rachael.

vienne

Thanks res. We have all that material. We have all the available publications including some not listed in most bibliographies. What I seek is the personal letters and papers of the principals. Not published material. I can't think of any material published before 1916 we do not have except for a few of the original Bible Students Tracts [1881]

We do not have some of the anti-Russell polemics. Those are useful too. We gave very few letters written by Russell, and most of those we have are not especially useful. However, sometimes an off handed comment is an otherwise bland letter contributes to our understanding.

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Pastor Russell letters?

by vienne in

most of those who read my comments and posts here know i'm not a witness but a historian who writes about them.

as my writing partner and i near completion of volume 2 of separate identity, we need scans of any letters, post cards or what have you written by russell, any of his associates or any pre-1916 adherent - no matter how insignificant they may appear.. can you helps with this?

we also need clear scans of watch tower convention programs from that era.. i appreciate any help that comes my way.. rachael.

vienne

Wasa, thanks for that. We have a set of the reprints and we have a complete set of the originals as scans. They contain material left out of the reprints. But finding personal letters written by early adherents is very difficult. The best find so far had been two letters written by J. C. Sunderlin. Sunderlin was one of those sent to the UK to circulate Food for Thinking Christians. Letters and personal papers, when they can be found, often add imporatnt detail to our research.

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Pastor Russell letters?

by vienne in

most of those who read my comments and posts here know i'm not a witness but a historian who writes about them.

as my writing partner and i near completion of volume 2 of separate identity, we need scans of any letters, post cards or what have you written by russell, any of his associates or any pre-1916 adherent - no matter how insignificant they may appear.. can you helps with this?

we also need clear scans of watch tower convention programs from that era.. i appreciate any help that comes my way.. rachael.

vienne

Most of those who read my comments and posts here know I'm not a Witness but a historian who writes about them. As my writing partner and I near completion of volume 2 of Separate Identity, we need scans of any letters, post cards or what have you written by Russell, any of his associates or any pre-1916 adherent - no matter how insignificant they may appear.

Can you helps with this?

We also need clear scans of Watch Tower convention programs from that era.

I appreciate any help that comes my way.

Rachael

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Jack Felix

by vienne in

j. felix was a long-term circuit overseer in the uk and the author of the 1973 yearbook history of the work in the uk.

can you add to this brief biography?.

vienne

I'm told Felix is dead, which is a shame. I'd like to talk to him about a point in the 1973 Yearbook history. Everyone who knew him seems to have liked him.

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Jack Felix

by vienne in

j. felix was a long-term circuit overseer in the uk and the author of the 1973 yearbook history of the work in the uk.

can you add to this brief biography?.

vienne

J. Felix was a long-term Circuit Overseer in the UK and the author of the 1973 Yearbook history of the work in the UK. Can you add to this brief biography?

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More scullduggery in the New World Translation?

by NikL in

i was reading in jude last night in the esv bible.. i came across this little gem as i was falling asleep and woke right up.. jude 1:5.

5 now i want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that jesus, who saved a people out of the land of egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

jesus who saved a people out of egypt?

vienne

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Just a survey

by Homer notsimpson in

jw
friends

just to get others opinions and experiences.

out of everyone in the jw organization, how many do you think never get caught doing a "gross sin "?

and how many do you think actually get caught?

vienne

Got caught? Most recent information I have is very old, late 1970s convention talk outline. Then it was 50-60 thousand a year disfellowshipped. The number 'reproved' is not given.

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Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

by NikL in

i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

vienne

You may want to note that the discussion of the Israel of God in this comment trail is a replay of that between Adventists and Age to Come believers from the 1830s onward. The Watchtower has been on both sides of the issue.

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Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

by NikL in

i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

vienne

Steve2,

No, that's historically inaccurate. Russel taught a '2 class' doctrine that he derived from writers such as William Trotter [Plain Papers on Prophetic and other Subjects.] and M.P. Baxter [Louis Napoleon: The Destined Monarch of the World]. Russellites really had a three class system. 1. The Little Flock, anointed and limited to 144K. 2. The Great Crowd, somehow less faithful than the Little Flock but destined to heavenly life. 3. Vast majority of humans destined to live in a paradise earth.

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Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

by NikL in

i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

vienne

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus is the ransom for all. They also teach that he is Mediator only for the 144K. This causes confusion. They teach that Jesus is mediator of the New Covenant and that the covenant is only between God and the heavenly congregation. So in their view he does not mediate anything for anyone other than the 144K. Jesus propitiates for all. He is intercessor for all. He is not mediator for all.

This seems to cause endless confusion.