None of God's prophets finished high school, not even Jesus. What ever Russell's faults, that's probably not one of them.
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Question....Did Charles Russel Ever Finish High School?
by new boy ini saw john cedars show last night about when he visited the headquarters and this was mentioned.. this is the first i heard of this.
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vienne
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Question....Did Charles Russel Ever Finish High School?
by new boy ini saw john cedars show last night about when he visited the headquarters and this was mentioned.. this is the first i heard of this.
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vienne
This will appear on Separate Identity, volume 2:
In 1913 a survey of Indiana Churches done by the Presbyterian Board of Home Missions found that “thirty seven per cent of the ministers have had no more than a common school education.”[1] Liston Pope’s analysis of clergy education in Gastonia County, North Carolina, illustrates my point:
The policy of the Baptist churches has been even less exacting. The denomination has never erected an educational requirement for its ministers, or maintained an informal standard, or insisted on a course of study. In 1869-70 there were only two college graduates in the Baptist Association which included most of the churches in Gaston County. In 1903 few Baptist preachers in the county had even a high school education and college men were almost unknown. The tendency in more recent years has been to give preference to better-educated men, but only 56 per cent of them at present have college degrees and only 18 per cent have completed a seminary course.
The newer sects in the county are led by ministers almost wholly uneducated. Several of them find it necessary to have some more literate person read the Scriptures in their services. Others did not go beyond the fourth or fifth grade in the public schools; none have college degrees. Most of them are on sabbatical leave from jobs in cotton mills. There are no established educational requirements for preachers in the sects with which they are affiliated, though there are trends in that direction.
As compared with Presbyterian and Lutheran standards, Methodist demands have been relatively low. The Methodist Episcopal Church, South, did not establish a college degree as a prerequisite to ordination until 1934, and it was possible until 1940 to circumvent this requirement. Less than half of its preachers in Gaston County at present have had seminary training; most of them now have college degrees, but several older men, representative of past standards, have only a high school education or less.[2]
Criticizing Russell for what was common among several denominations is pure hypocrisy. Bible Students saw Russell as ordained. Prentis Gerdon Gloystein [January 6, 1887 – April 19, 1956], writing to The Twin Falls, Idaho, Times described Russell as the “duly elected-ordained pastor” of several Bible Student congregations including the largest of these. Gloystein wrote as one “intimately acquainted with Pastor Russell, having lived for a number of years in his home town ... besides being an associate worker with him at his present headquarters in Brooklyn, N. Y.”[3]
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Question....Did Charles Russel Ever Finish High School?
by new boy ini saw john cedars show last night about when he visited the headquarters and this was mentioned.. this is the first i heard of this.
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Question....Did Charles Russel Ever Finish High School?
by new boy ini saw john cedars show last night about when he visited the headquarters and this was mentioned.. this is the first i heard of this.
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vienne
There is no comparison between the Common School system and American High School systems. Before I retired from teaching I would present problems from sixth readers and math books. Few of them could solve the problems.
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Question....Did Charles Russel Ever Finish High School?
by new boy ini saw john cedars show last night about when he visited the headquarters and this was mentioned.. this is the first i heard of this.
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vienne
Russell finished the Common School System, then current in the US. That meant he 'graduated' when he finished seventh grade. There after he took course work through a YMCA system.
From Separate Identity, volume 1:
The YMCA gave him the opportunity to “do some good.” The YMCA was not the social club it is today. It existed to rescue sinners and to promote Christian work. He joined the Association in 1865 or 1866. The Pittsburgh Association was originally founded in 1854 but had become moribund. It was reorganized in 1865 and became a social force in the two cities. The Association offered evening classes in Commercial Law, Public Speaking and Parliamentary Law, Engineering Mathematics, Arithmetic, Working Mathematics, Electricity, Metallurgy, Chemistry, Architectural Drawing, Mechanical Drawing, Freehand Drawing and Designing, French, Spanish, German, Italian, English, and Spelling, Vocal Music, Bookkeeping, Stenography and Penmanship. To us this strongly suggests what Russell meant when he said he was educated by “private tutors.”[1] The Pittsburgh Association also maintained an active street evangelism. Leland Dewitt Baldwin in his excellent history of Pittsburgh wrote that the YMCA “fought nobly the vanities of the world, particularly the theaters.”[2]
[1] Sarah H. Killikelly: The History of Pittsburgh: Its Rise and Progress, B. C. Gordon Montgomery Company, Pittsburgh, 1906, pages 410-411. The claim that he was instructed by “private tutors” was made by Russell in the biographical material provided to The National Cyclopedia of American Biography. See the main entry in Volume 12, page 317.
[2] L. D. Baldwin: Pittsburgh: The Story of a City: 1750-1865, University of Pittsburgh Press, 1937, 1995 edition, page 260.
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Past 12 months, #watchtower has obtained more than 36 unique subpoenas
by Not_Culty inhttps://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1095514606657851392.
"in the past 12 months, #watchtower has obtained more than 36 unique subpoenas to identify the people who have posted their documents, leaked videos, & images from their publications.
this #watchhunt is a coordinated effort to locate & punish the leak sources.".
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vienne
Secretiveness is unbecoming the religion of Christ.
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I wish all Witness men were like this ...
by vienne inmy intro essay for the new book caused all sorts of off blog controversy.
my writing partner, a retired educator and a witness, responded.
why aren't more witness men like this?
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vienne
N. Blue,
If you mean me, I would be hard to disfellowship since I'm not and never have been a Witness.
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I wish all Witness men were like this ...
by vienne inmy intro essay for the new book caused all sorts of off blog controversy.
my writing partner, a retired educator and a witness, responded.
why aren't more witness men like this?
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vienne
Slim, the offenders believed that if they appealed to my writing partner, he would scold me and make me change my text. That's sexist thinking. It's typical of a certain class of Witness male.
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I wish all Witness men were like this ...
by vienne inmy intro essay for the new book caused all sorts of off blog controversy.
my writing partner, a retired educator and a witness, responded.
why aren't more witness men like this?
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vienne
Yup, Crofty, that about sums it up. And he'd be the last person to try that.
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I wish all Witness men were like this ...
by vienne inmy intro essay for the new book caused all sorts of off blog controversy.
my writing partner, a retired educator and a witness, responded.
why aren't more witness men like this?
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vienne
Slim, that is based on the offenders appealing to my writing partner and a blog editor, both male, to get me to delete key elements from my essay.