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  Debate

  by gabcol in

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  2. beliefs

  back in the day, russell and rutherford would hold debates with other religious leaders.

  why has jehovah's witnesses stopped doing that?

  i think it would be very interesting to see how they would hold up on a debate now.

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  vienne

  I'm not certain a public debate would accomplish anything. Most people come out of a debate with the same opinions with which they entered, don't they? I was never swayed by a debate, but then most of those I attended were put on by students who weren't always the sharpest nail in the took kit.
  
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  Should Reparations Be Given To Relatives of Slaves?

  by minimus in

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  some people say that’s the least we should do while others say no way!

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  what do you think about dispensing reparations?

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  How about the descendants of those brought here as indentured servants, slaves for seven years, sometimes prostituted? White males and females from England ...
  
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  Should Reparations Be Given To Relatives of Slaves?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some people say that’s the least we should do while others say no way!

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  what do you think about dispensing reparations?

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  No. My family were not slave owners; my American ancestors fought in the Civil War to free slaves. Why should our taxes go to pay for sins of others now over 150 years past? Asking for reparations is a cover for failure to assume personal responsibility.
  
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  Do You For The Most Part Trust The News Media?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the media is very powerful.

  many news people just want to get a scoop even if their breaking story isn’t checked out for accuracy.

  some journalists are precise and double check whatever they are reporting.

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  Do I trust the media? No, Never.
  
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  Window Washers

  by Nikki collins in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i know @hiddenpimo is going to laugh at me for this because we had several in our old congregation, but what is with all the window washing businesses owned/managed by jws???

  they are everywhere!

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  My grand uncle, a long-time Witness, gave up teaching for three years to pioneer. He says he was a 'window washer' during that period and made more than he made as a professor of history. Never despise a trade.
  
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  Mom's book ...

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't know how many are interested in watchtower history.

  mom and bruce wrote this, and it received a new amazon review today.

  here is the review of https://www.amazon.com/separate-identity-organizational-readers-1870-1887/dp/1304969401 .

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  Dr. Schulz [I could call him uncle B as I do in person] but this seems like a more formal setting] says that three chapters remain to be finished. And an afterward. There will be edits after that. Of the three chapters, two are nearing completion.

  He tells me volume three exists as a few chapters, an outline and bunches of notes. It is some distance in the future.

  I might add that, watching my mom work on this, that much hard work and intense research goes into this project to make it as detailed and accurate as possible. I'm an amateur writer, still "in school." This has been a learning experience for me.

  Mom and B's book about Nelson Barbour is on Lulu. B tells me that a revised and enlarged edition is in the works but 'on the back burner' as he puts the second volume of Separate Identity in final format.

  Mom and B planned the next book, called On the Cusp of Fame, covering the years 1887-1912. B still plans to write that, though it seems to me to be a far more complex research project.

  I hope it is okay that I use mom's old account here instead of making my own.
  

  Annie
  
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  Mom's book ...

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't know how many are interested in watchtower history.

  mom and bruce wrote this, and it received a new amazon review today.

  here is the review of https://www.amazon.com/separate-identity-organizational-readers-1870-1887/dp/1304969401 .

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  Hi,

  I don't know how many are interested in Watchtower history. Mom and Bruce wrote this, and it received a new Amazon review today. Here is the review of https://www.amazon.com/Separate-Identity-Organizational-Readers-1870-1887/dp/1304969401

  The Professor 5.0 out of 5 stars a comprehensive study May 23, 2019
  
  Format: Paperback Verified Purchase

  This is a mammoth study of the early Bible Student and related groups. It is 358 pages of 8.5 x 11 paper in small print. Of what I read so far it is accurate. I know of no other study that is even close in comprehensiveness, documentation and breath, looking not just at Russell but related groups and persons including Barbour, John Paton and others. The author looks at not only historical record but also critics of the movement including Professor Penton and Carl Johnson. The last page was intended to be an index which never was finished. It would have been an invaluable addition to the book. This book was clearly a lifetime work.

  
  

  Just as a note: The index will be in the last volume, volume 3. - Annie [Anastasia]
  
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  Bound vol question

  by rockemsockem in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did the wt reprint bound vol.?

  if so how long after the first printing did they reprint?

  also how do you tell an original from reprint?

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  Yes, sometime around 1980 the Watchtower Society reprinted the Watchtower from 1951 into the 1960s at least. Checking mom's books and comparing the reprints to the original volumes, you can tell the reprints because the "announcements" section on the last page is missing, and the cover colors are different. I don't have more details.
  
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  Stories on Nathan Knorr.

  by Holden Caufield in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what was nathan knorr like?.

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  I don't know if this is helpful or not. Stuff mom posted to the history blog:

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/11/more-on-knorr-family.html

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/11/nathan-knorrs-parents.html

  https://www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-1999-06-05-3248340-story.html

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/11/donal-ellsworth-knorr-and-estella-bloss.html

  -Annie
  
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  Chapter from mom's future book

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some of you are interested in mom and bruce's history writing.

  mom has left us but much of what she contributed to can be read on the history blog.

  b has posted a chapter from volume three of separate identity, a work still in progress.. https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  vienne

  Hi everyone,

  Some of you are interested in Mom and Bruce's history writing. Mom has left us but much of what she contributed to can be read on the history blog. B has posted a chapter from volume three of Separate Identity, a work still in progress.

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

  You might find this interesting.

  Annie, Rachael de Vienne's youngest daughter