Belief in a paradise earth is found in Zion's Watch Tower from Russell's day. It wasn't new in the 1920s/1930s. What was new was seeing the Great Multitude [Great Crowd] as an earthly 'class.' Prior to 1935 they believed them to be a secondary heavenly class. So in this case there really isn't a lie.
Posts by vienne
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11Watchtower caught lying about the real reason Beth Sarim was built
by Diogenesister inanother incredible catch from a you tuber, this time jane doh, who caught watchtower fooling us again, this time over the reasons beth sarim was really built.. of course we knew rutherford lived in beth sarim during the winter (ostensibly because of his poorly chestš).
however even we didn't guess he blatantly got the poor jws, or bible students as they were, to cough up from the proceeds of their book sales enough to buy him a "cali-fornication" mansion (for he & the girlfriendš) with absolutely no pretence (at the time) it was for the "ancient worthies".that came later.... how did she know?
because at the time it was built, in the 1920s, watchtower had no belief that anyone was to live on a "paradise earth" - they had not even formulated the concept of a paradise earth yet for the ancient worthies to live on and believed all jws were to live in heaven.
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Belgian Civil Rights Attorney's comments on the Ghent decision
by vienne inthis and several other articles are here: https://bitterwinter.org/excommunication-looking-for-a-balance-of-interests-between-opposite-freedoms/.
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vienne
I don't know if he's a Witness or not. His article does raise the question, though.
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Belgian Civil Rights Attorney's comments on the Ghent decision
by vienne inthis and several other articles are here: https://bitterwinter.org/excommunication-looking-for-a-balance-of-interests-between-opposite-freedoms/.
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vienne
this and several other articles are here: https://bitterwinter.org/excommunication-looking-for-a-balance-of-interests-between-opposite-freedoms/
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Do You Think White People Are Being Discriminated Against?
by minimus insome call it reverse discrimination.
whatever you want to refer to as, in your opinion, are white people being unfairly picked on?
it seems acceptable that if you are white you are viewed with disdain.
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vienne
yes.
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Derek Chauvin - The Right to a Fair Trial
by Simon inanyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
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A police officer friend tells me that driving overly-cautiously is a good sign the driver is intoxicated. Most officers, he says, would stop the driver to check. It's also a sign that a wellness check is needed. This sounds reasonable to me.
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Why Do People Loot and Destroy When Someone Gets Shot?
by minimus insomeone gets shot and or killed and hundreds of people decide to loot and destroy businesses or whatever else is in their path.
what does this do to make things better?
i really donāt get how they think it makes things better or solves anything..
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vienne
Criminals seek their own advantage. Theft and mayhem in the guise of righteous anger is not new.
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Wanting articles on statistics for the incidence of csa between the Catholic Church and JW
by joe134cd inhad an ultra jw relative say to me the there are only a few examples of csa in the jws.
the catholics are significantly worse.
iām after statistical information that proves him wrong.
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This is Professor Folks take on it at a recent conference. I do not know enough to comment, but I found this interesting.
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False memorial partakers deserve to die???
by Jofi_Wofo inevery memorial, much emphasis is placed on making sure that only the (self-proclaimed) anointed partake in the emblems.
this year, however, the speaker at my wife's congregation presented it as an even more serious matter.
he likened it to individuals in ancient israel who sought position of the priesthood despite never been appointed by jehovah.
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vienne
Someone sent me the talk outline. I did not see this in it.
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Jehovah's Witnesses are a breakaway
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlet me follow the trial.
in 1931 rutherford started jehovah's witnesses.
be before that.. bible student and they merged before 1917 with russelites and they merge with adventists, and then miller in 1844.before that be disperse into baptist and other denominations.
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vienne
I'm not ignoring your reply. My mom's very elderly uncle went into the hospital. So we're away from home for a while. When I return home, I'll post a reply. Please be patient.
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Jehovah's Witnesses are a breakaway
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlet me follow the trial.
in 1931 rutherford started jehovah's witnesses.
be before that.. bible student and they merged before 1917 with russelites and they merge with adventists, and then miller in 1844.before that be disperse into baptist and other denominations.
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vienne
I should add the text of an email sent from Penton to one of the authors of Separate Identity:
Many thanks for the texts you have sent. I have only had time to read your introduction, but I was greatly pleased by it. I feel as irritated by the long-continued āAdventist Theoryā as do you. I see also that you have added to my own understanding of the origins of Russellās thinking, and I hail you for that.
I have not been well of late since my heart is acting up. Therefore, I may be a bit slow in getting back to you. But I will certainly read what you have discovered and written with anticipation.
Again, my best regards.James Penton