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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

Dear ncc
I understand that, and did not mean to criticise you.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

Re: the video posted above.
Watchtower and Watch Tower stockholders do not receive returns from owning stock. It gives them voting rights only, and that for corporate officers. It gives them no say in doctrine or anything else. They can be deprived of their shares at will. Even if they attend the annual meeting, they must fill out a proxy first. Proxies always give the Governing Body or their representatives power to vote their shares. It is for legal form only.
Descendants of the original adherents have no special status. The names of most of them have been lost. Some of them left the Watch Tower in the 1880s. None of them are relevant today, except historically.
Poorly done research detracts from your message. It's Lloydism. [I just invented the term; feel free to use it.]
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

It's hard to believe that Evans found 700 ~~fools~~ umm err patrons to finance his whoring.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

Evans is too much of a donkey-eared narcissist to be a successful 'mole.' And he's not any sort of threat to the Watchtower. At best he gave a place for some x-Witnesses to vent. His threats rang hollow. Making a threat does not mean you have rocks to throw.
People like him will always have a following. The world is full of the easily led. The x community seems to be composed of those who some honest 'apostates' who looked deeply into their religion and found it wanting. These are an obvious minority. Others, the vast majority, were tossed on their ear for morals issues, and they do not like it. Most disfellowshipped Witnesses fall into silence. A small number are very vocal. Of those who make videos, almost none are worth watching. Most are extreme, making videos about anything and everything, no matter how insignificant. Example? Elder's wife who can tell you what the Watchtower said in 1953 that she finds shocking and that she thinks should shock you too.
Okay, you can down vote this post now. ...
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

I don't believe Lloyd is a WT plant. Not their style. I think he a Narcissistic Personality and probably needs counseling and medication. He certainly needs a large supply of condoms.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

Her video is to the point and funny as heck. Amen, Sister.
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Adam & Eve: Perfect but not everlasting life?
by pixel in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
so i was watching annual meeting.

towards the end of jackson’s talk, he says: .

“perfection doesn’t automatically means someone will get everlasting life.
vienne

Okay, I'm confused. Isn't the Watchtower's teaching that Adam and Eve, once they proved faithful, were to be granted "everlasting life" but not immortality?
And in light of the grain and first fruits offerings mandated in the Law Covenant would not Yahweh's rejection of Cain's sacrifice be on grounds other than its nature. The verses note a difference between the two brothers' offerings. Able gave from the "first fruits" but Cain only "some of" his vegies. When God addresses Cain, he does not say, "Sorry Bud, but you should have offered something else." Instead he comments on Cain's mental health, his attitudes.
Am I wrong?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne
Watching the Evans scandal unfold is like being at an airshow and watching a jet crash. You can't take your eyes off of it, but you don't want to see it either.
He brought this on himself. He deserves all the negative comments. But speculation really doesn't help.
As S.B.F. notes above, Croatia is a very small country. JW statistics are:
- 4,082,000—Population
- 4,815—Ministers who teach the Bible
- 57—Congregations
- 1 to 856—Ratio of Jehovah’s Witnesses to population.
Apparently there are few elders. So no surprise that they called in someone from the WT branch office. Until there is a firmly established alternative reason, what do we benefit from speculation?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

Not relevant to this discussion, maybe. But if I saw Evans on the street with his stringy, unwashed hair, fat face, and otherwise unkempt appearance, I'd think him homeless and eating the high starch foods some soup kitchens serve. And I'd wonder which of the many mental health issues common to the homeless he has.
An observation more to the point: Posting a video from some years past that is as irrational and stupid as the more recent ones from your camera does not further your argument. Some anti-Witness video makers should put more thought into what they purvey.
Finding every small bit of Watchtower news sensational is moronic. It is not persuasive. Sensationalism marks one as irrational. Consider the videos about the NWT court case, a case that's been thrown out of court at least twice, maybe three times, and that hasn't a "snowball's chance in hell" of moving forward. Yet, we have youtube videos that present it with glee. Why? That you made one and excitedly presented it marks you as irrelevant.
This isn't my fight exactly. The seeds of my Master's Thesis come from my mom's notes on mid 20th Century Witness history. They include observations on disaffected members. I will include some of that in my Thesis. So I watch the anti videos. I try to put myself in the place of a disfellowshiped person. Hard to do. But I know I would not be persuaded by most of the videos I see on youtube. They're like a gossip fest where everyone badmouths Jennifer Matilda Whatshername, because she's smarter, prettier than others, and drives a nicer car. Get to the point, Vid Makers, and make it a good one.
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Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?
by raymond frantz in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
the problem is where do we go from here?

lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?

we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.
vienne

s.b.f.,
I'm talking to those few supporters Lloyd has here, especially those that down vote any comments that question Lloyd's behavior.