Short answer, yes.
Posts by vienne
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16Are Both The JW And The Ex-JW Community a Cult?
by Vanderhoven7 incharlie ryde writes:.
let us use the same bite model for determining if something is a cult to both being a jw and being ex-jw.
mind you this is a short summary.. b- behavioral control.
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Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?
by the-MadJW ini mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.
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vienne
Hi Jan,
No, the Westboro Baptists do not represent most Baptist faiths. Baptists in general, in America at least, no longer know their Bible, do not see it as fully relevant, do not follow it, at least not as men of faith. They are Biblically illiterate.
Annie
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Does Lloyd Boy realize that he's become irrelevant? He lost most of his patrons. His videos are on the silly side, repetitious, full of logic faults, resembling a 7 year old's "that's not fair!"
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Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?
by the-MadJW ini mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.
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vienne
I have visited many churches and had more conversations with clergy and lay people than I can count. I probably med a few people who knew God as well as one can. But a church that as a whole that knows God. I haven't found one yet.
Mom associated with an Abrahamic Faith congregation for quite a while. They have some basic similarities to Witnesses without wild prophetic speculation and dictatorial administration. But she left eventually, staying friends with some, but unable to tolerate some behaviors.
Christians are where you find them. I mean a God following individual may be anywhere despite what their church is. Baptists? Hardly. They do not know the Bible and as a group do not follow it.
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Very early Watch Tower Material
by vienne inmany of my posts ask for scans of rare watchtower relevant material.
usually that produces no result.
this time i'm showing images of some.
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vienne
1. As I said, these are too fragile to scan
2. Atlantis and I are not on "speaking terms.",
3. They don't belong to me, and I could'nt make the decision in any event.
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Very early Watch Tower Material
by vienne inmany of my posts ask for scans of rare watchtower relevant material.
usually that produces no result.
this time i'm showing images of some.
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vienne
Many of my posts ask for scans of rare Watchtower relevant material. Usually that produces no result. This time I'm showing images of some. Uncle B acquired these, trading off an early songbook and a book of poems. Probably almost none of you have seen these. Please don't ask for scans. I'd make them if these were not very, very fragile. Enjoy:
https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/01/three-booklets.html
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vienne
Depending on the source of Witness FDS doctrine, it is either hero worship accepted by the governing body, or a not unexpected but totally out of place pride.
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Two classes for salvation didn't come from Rutherford. Russell believed there were three classes of saved: the 144K, a secondary spiritual class not quite reaching faith required of the 144K, and those who inherited a paradise earth.
Current Witness doctrine derives from earlier 19th Century sources, among them an Anglican writer, Isidore Heath, who wrote The Future Human Kingdom of Christ. This book influenced Henry Dunn. I don't know that Russell read Heath's book, but he read much of Dunn's material as republished by Storrs. None of the heavenly/earthly class teaching came from Rutherford. What he did was to eliminate the thought that there was a secondary, less faithful, heavenly class.
The Separate Identity series [2 vols. so far] considers the origins of Watchtower theology in considerable detail.
https://www.lulu.com/search?contributor=B.+W.+Schulz&page=1&pageSize=10&adult_audience_rating=00
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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He's not bored. This is a plea to make it all go away. It wont of course. Poor, poor Lloyd boy
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I've met a few Witnesses who claim divine anointing. They're all very old. I think Witness doctrine is off the mark. I don't dispute that some Witnesses receive divine anointing, but I cannot see the 144 thousand number as anything but symbolic.