Since solid historical research shows that early disciples did not believe in a fiery hell, the original premise is wrong. Yet this is left without a comment?
Posts by vienne
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128Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze inlooks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.
why don't the jw's do the same?.
from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
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Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)
by carla innot sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.
i did a quick search and did not see it.
https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.
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vienne
He was an elder? The article I read said he was only a member of the congregation. Reprehensible no matter what.
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Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!
by nowwhat? inwe still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.
it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.
the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.
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vienne
To me the 1975 fiasco illustrates dichotomy between the standards prominent Witnesses are held and those to which the rank and file are held. If an elder or anyone for that matter had made the 1975 predictions, they'd have been counselled or disfellowshipped. Franz was given a pass because he was St. Fredrick.
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze inlooks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.
why don't the jw's do the same?.
from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
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vienne
The original premise is questionable. Did the Apostle's students believe in Hell-Fire?
Consider:
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Albert Delmont Jones
by vienne injones was a principal investor in the knickerbocker bank of new york city.
there was an earlier and defunct bank of the same name.
the bank issued its own currency, a common practice at the time.
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vienne
Excellent! Can we find one with the signatures?
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Albert Delmont Jones
by vienne injones was a principal investor in the knickerbocker bank of new york city.
there was an earlier and defunct bank of the same name.
the bank issued its own currency, a common practice at the time.
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vienne
drop,
nope. what Russell said was the product of W. Wisdom, published in 1917. Gems is a modern Bible Student work.
Jones financed J. Paton's 1881 book, first ed. only.
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Albert Delmont Jones
by vienne injones was a principal investor in the knickerbocker bank of new york city.
there was an earlier and defunct bank of the same name.
the bank issued its own currency, a common practice at the time.
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vienne
A. D. Jones was one of the Watch Tower's first contributors. He started is own magazine, and eventually left Watch Tower fellowship. He came into unexpected wealth, took a mistress, found himself in legal trouble, ran off, and led an adventurous life, eventually dying in a hospital. His grave is under a freeway ramp.
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Internal Watchtower Statistics Re: Disfellowshipping and Shunning
by NotFormer indoes the wt have a person/department/section tasked with compiling data and analysing it statistically.
or have they started doing something like that now that they are hiring external consultancies?.
i ask the question because i'm wondering if such studies and statistical analysis would show any link between the harshness of the disfellowshipping policy as it is applied and the dropout rate of people within the organisation who have just had enough.. in previous threads it has been pointed out that the old approach isn't effective any more.
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vienne
Apparently you have the vaguest idea of logic. Do you know what a premise is? Apparently not in any functional way. A premise is the impelling part of an argument. It is the underpinning of any claim you make. It presupposes that it is 'fact.' A false premise is one that has no basis in fact. Your statement is a false premise, and everything you build on it is fakery.
You wish it was true. You want it to be true. But it is not. If you cannot support your premise, then all that follows (your argument) fails.
I'm educating a simpleton. Alas.
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Internal Watchtower Statistics Re: Disfellowshipping and Shunning
by NotFormer indoes the wt have a person/department/section tasked with compiling data and analysing it statistically.
or have they started doing something like that now that they are hiring external consultancies?.
i ask the question because i'm wondering if such studies and statistical analysis would show any link between the harshness of the disfellowshipping policy as it is applied and the dropout rate of people within the organisation who have just had enough.. in previous threads it has been pointed out that the old approach isn't effective any more.
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vienne
What you wrote was: "have they started doing something like that now that they are hiring external consultancies?"
This is NOT presented as speculation but as fact. Either you have proof, or you chose to present speculation as fact. Words have meaning. Either you meant what you wrote or you do not know how to write.
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Internal Watchtower Statistics Re: Disfellowshipping and Shunning
by NotFormer indoes the wt have a person/department/section tasked with compiling data and analysing it statistically.
or have they started doing something like that now that they are hiring external consultancies?.
i ask the question because i'm wondering if such studies and statistical analysis would show any link between the harshness of the disfellowshipping policy as it is applied and the dropout rate of people within the organisation who have just had enough.. in previous threads it has been pointed out that the old approach isn't effective any more.
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vienne
Other than speculation, I've seen no evidence that the WT hires outside consultants.