Not mediator of prayers, but intercessor.
Posts by vienne
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23Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?
by Sea Breeze inpraying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.
i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.
they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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vienne
aqw,
This is an open forum. If you post here your comments are open to review by everyone. No one likes a negative comment, but Slim "hit the nail on the head" when commenting on your post. You didn't like it. But silence or an effective, well thought out rebuttal would have been better than the "cry baby" reply you made.
I know you're upset. You seem to be ambivalent about your beliefs. You're working hard to sustain them. I see that. We all review our beliefs at some point, and that can be a difficult experience. But please do maintain a bit of maturity.
Annie
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Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians
by Paul Bonanno inhi .
who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.
paul.
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vienne
I'm puzzled by the obvious mental health issues behind the various down votes on this thread.
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Rolling out a new version?
by MeanMrMustard ini figure you are doing what all real devs do - develop and test in production.
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hope it's going ok....
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vienne
Simon, thanks for your hard work.
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Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians
by Paul Bonanno inhi .
who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.
paul.
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vienne
You're very welcome, Nat
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Did the Fred Franz style of writing cease after he died?
by SydBarrett ini was completely out by 1991 and 1989 would have been the last time i had to attend regularly.
that over the top franz writing style was still there in the 1980's although i've heard he wasn't actually doing much writing by then.
but his style was definitely picked up and imitated for many years beyond its wacky, outlandish peak of the the 50's - 70's.
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vienne
It would be nice if we had an "Ignore contributor" button.
But no, we shouldn't ban him. We're a mental health outlet for him. He's suffering from a form of ambivalence.
We can skip his posts if we want. That's what the page down button does.
On an unrelated topic, High School Seniors are not quite human.
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Did the Fred Franz style of writing cease after he died?
by SydBarrett ini was completely out by 1991 and 1989 would have been the last time i had to attend regularly.
that over the top franz writing style was still there in the 1980's although i've heard he wasn't actually doing much writing by then.
but his style was definitely picked up and imitated for many years beyond its wacky, outlandish peak of the the 50's - 70's.
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vienne
ahem. in the era and place Nicholas lived, they had no buttons.
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Did the Fred Franz style of writing cease after he died?
by SydBarrett ini was completely out by 1991 and 1989 would have been the last time i had to attend regularly.
that over the top franz writing style was still there in the 1980's although i've heard he wasn't actually doing much writing by then.
but his style was definitely picked up and imitated for many years beyond its wacky, outlandish peak of the the 50's - 70's.
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vienne
Your reply is an example of your usual faulty reply. It is verbose, off topic and in concise.
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Did the Fred Franz style of writing cease after he died?
by SydBarrett ini was completely out by 1991 and 1989 would have been the last time i had to attend regularly.
that over the top franz writing style was still there in the 1980's although i've heard he wasn't actually doing much writing by then.
but his style was definitely picked up and imitated for many years beyond its wacky, outlandish peak of the the 50's - 70's.
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vienne
Though I'm being less than polite by saying so, You are profoundly idiotic. I've made it clear several times, I've never been a Witness. I'm a historian. MA WSU. I'm working on my doctorate and assisting B. W. Schulz, PhD, FRHistS with his research into Witness history. I'm a socially conservative Christian loosely associated with an Abrahamic Faith Church. I'm substitute teaching to fund that part of my studies not covered by my scholarships.
Why is it that you cannot grasp what others tell you? The same problem arises in your response to arguments present by others. You go off in a tangent, never making a concise reply. I pity you while finding you irritating.
Take a breath, grasp the arguments. stop misdirecting threads.
One irritated woman,
Annie.
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Did the Fred Franz style of writing cease after he died?
by SydBarrett ini was completely out by 1991 and 1989 would have been the last time i had to attend regularly.
that over the top franz writing style was still there in the 1980's although i've heard he wasn't actually doing much writing by then.
but his style was definitely picked up and imitated for many years beyond its wacky, outlandish peak of the the 50's - 70's.
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vienne
Now back to Franz. He saw Rutherford as the lead spokesman for "the Elijah Class," apparently meaning the 'faithful' before 1942. Fitting Rutherford in to his prophetic schema, he wrote:
"On October 31, 1916, Charles T. Russell died while out on a preaching tour. Shortly J. F. Rutherford was elected to the presidency of the Watch Tower Society. Now the proof of the end of the Gentile Times as a sign from heaven became more impressive when the sixteenth nation, the United States of America, joined the world conflict on April 6, 1917. After Jehovah had answered Elijah with fire from heaven, Elijah had all the prophets of Baal there slaughtered as servants of the false god, Baal, Satan the Devil. Likewise, in July of 1917 there began a slaughter of the modern prophets of Baal in Christendom ...." - Let Your Name be Sanctified.
You'll want to read more of this to understand his rather confused presentation. But we see more of his self-serving and confused prophetic views in this:
"After Elijah slaughtered the Baal prophets, he went up to the top of Mount Carmel and prayed for rain. A rain cloud appeared and came overhead and a great downpour occurred. Correspondingly, a great spiritual blessing was poured out on February 24, 1918, which grew in proportions as the years followed. This was when the then president of the Watch Tower Society, J. F. Rutherford, delivered the famous speech in Los Angeles, California, on the startling subject f*The World Has Ended-—-Millions Now Living May Never Die.’* This talk boldly held forth the hope that the sheeplike people of earth who would turn to Jehovah and his righteousness would be hidden during the approaching battle of Armageddon and would survive into God’s righteous new world with its wonderful opportunity for everlasting life on a paradise earth governed by God’s kingdom."
He saw the transition from Rutherford's administration to Knorr's as the transition to work prefigured by the prophet Elisha.
The book is an interesting précis of Watchtower history, but set as prophetic fulfilments. Franz' writing style was effected by his beliefs. In form it emulated writers from the late 19th Century.
In the 1970s the Watchtower Society introduced a new writer. I do not know his name, and he didn't last. His grammar was atrocious and his wrting prolix. It was a change from Franz style. But thankfully who ever that was did not last.