there are quite a few here who have been disfellowshipped for apostasy.. then there are those that have successfully faded.. why the different outcome?
are the ones that got df more out spoken?
or does the discrepancy lie with the elders?.
We told the elders the same thing, that we will keep our thoughts to ourselves and so far the wife and I have not been df'ed although we are very outspoken about never going back.
I kind of think in the JW mind, being outspoken about NOT going back is completely different than exposing false doctrine...er... I mean tearing down the truth.
there are quite a few here who have been disfellowshipped for apostasy.. then there are those that have successfully faded.. why the different outcome?
are the ones that got df more out spoken?
or does the discrepancy lie with the elders?.
There are quite a few here who have been disfellowshipped for apostasy.
Then there are those that have successfully faded.
Why the different outcome? Are the ones that got DF more out spoken? Or does the discrepancy lie with the elders?
I can see nothing in the elders handbook to indicate they must DF someone who is inactive or has left the org in the dust.
Back in the early 90s when it was discovered I had read "Crisis of Conscience", they had a judicial meeting with me but basically told me to keep my thoughts to myself and they would leave me alone. Maybe that was on account of my active JW wife?
Any thoughts?
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
Well, I put the question to my darling and she asked me how I felt about it as I am "head of the household".
I told her i preferred not to but if she wanted to have them over I would cooperate.
She said she was "good either way".
That tells me she doesn't really want to entertain but doesn't want to say it either. :-)
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
Well, I think I am going to say I think there are others in far more need of a shepherding call than my wife and I. Several are fighting life threatening conditions in our cong.
I know of a few older single women that are seriously depressed & lonely and would love a nice call.
Unless my wife WANTS them I'll tactfully decline. If they push the issue then I'll KNOW there is something wrong.
In that case I'll not so tactfully decline
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
Seems to be pretty unanimous that this is a very bad thing.
So virtually NOBODY here thinks this could just be an encouraging visit for my wife who has been under a lot of stress with caring for her mother and poor health?
Yeah, me either I guess.
jws will deny that local needs parts are often just a way to mark those in the congregation who are deemed to be "bad association" or who don't fall in line with the elders viewpoints.
now, for the first time in a long time the wt discusses their marking policy and how it works in the nov study wt:.
recall paul’s counsel regarding disorderly ones in the congregation.
Wow.
Nice catch.
I guess I'll get to listen to this crap when it's presented to the cong. early next year. Happy happy joy joy!
How about the following paragraph which contains..."how troubling it must have been for him to have to address the problem of sexual immorality that was being tolerated in that congregation! Paul directed the elders to hand the immoral man over to Satan—in other words, to disfellowship him".
Funny, I have never seen the scripture that says that!
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
So now the elder has texted back and said he meant Thursday. Said "sorry his bad". Sheesh.
He said "I know it's short notice". I am going to say to my wife I prefer not to. If she wants to she can go ahead.
I really think my wife would prefer not to as well but she wont say it.
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
So after all this I finally told her.
I asked if she had ever had a visit from the CO? She said no and I could tell she was kind of nervous about the whole thing.
Anyway, as it turns out, we are busy on the day in question.
I think she was actually relieved that we are indisposed on that day.
I haven't texted the elder back yet. Waiting as long as possible so all available time slots are filled so he can't try to reschedule :-)
Gonna say something to the effect, "thanks for the thought but we are busy on ___day. Hope you are well."
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
I don't intend to "sound off" about anything. It's their show.
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
Since you go with her to the meetings they may consider you a 'soft' target and one that can be brought back as a publisher which will make both of them look good.
