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  the Book of Enoch and the Nephilim

  by schnell in

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  i've heard all my cognizant life that angels from heaven looked upon the daughters of men, took wives, and their wives bore giants called nephilim.. i've heard all my adult life about the book of enoch and why it's apocryphal and to be avoided.. so tonight i was curious enough to download an e-book and have a look, since dothemath had the thread about rarely used scriptures and the book of jude directly quotes from the book of enoch.. if jude quotes from enoch, shouldn't both or neither of them be canonical?

  if you consider jude canonical, then enoch should be too.. hey, how many fallen angels were there again?

  two thirds of heaven, right?

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  NikL

  Weird.

  I was just looking at the same information at the same time you were posting this.

  GMTA apparently. I share your reasoning that it must be an important book if Jude quoted from it though I SUPPOSE I must admit there is a SLIGHT chancce as breakfast pointed out the JWs and Fundies believe.that...

  Just because it LOOKS like Jude is citing the book of Enoch, doesn't mean it is. There could be another source that both Jude and the Book of Enoch are both citing separately.

  What I find interesting is that the JW position has always been the nephilim were angelic/human hybrids. The bible doesn't specifically say so...though Enoch does. So in this case it appears that there must be some "accuracy" to the book.
  
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  For those that read the bible, does the true message of scripture still come through in NWT?

  by NikL in

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  my active and in jw wife is up for reading bible together.

  thing is she wants to use nwt.. i have problems with that translation as you my imagine.. just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the nwt?.

  i know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-).

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  NikL

  My active and in JW wife is up for reading bible together. Thing is she wants to use NWT.

  I have problems with that translation as you my imagine.

  Just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the NWT?

  I know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-)

  I am asking those that still read and study the scriptures.
  
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  Rank & File Reaction to Leah Remini Series

  by freemindfade in

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  wife and i have watched the whole series and just finished episode 7 last night.

  personally, i am seeing a great deal more subtle and day to day similarities to watchtower than the obvious ones i already knew existed, ie shunning.

  very eye opening and heartbreaking, even more so than going clear in my mind.

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  NikL

  If they made a series of JW's & JW's watched & saw someone they knew telling the story they still would not see it. Only if their little toes were stepped on. It would be nice for a series to happen about the witnesses not to crumble them but for folks to make a choice to stay but not out of force. The Catholics were exposed and folks are still attending.

  So very true! Especially the part about the Catholics.
  
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  Now THAT is one messed up witness

  by pale.emperor in

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  my youtube channel which has some kingdom hall talks has been getting some very angry and some strange witnesses commenting and defending it.

  check out this nutter from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znpzkakaki&google_comment_id=z12evtjofrujijrvm22permpenj3tr5vp:.

  jw: i am a jehovah's witness and the brother gave a very good talk.

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  A Song of Rejoicing" song number 208 from Sing Praises to Jehovah 1984 edition

  Wow. I don't recall they had so many in the old book!

  just an old talk from days gone by

  I guess that explains it. I was thinking it was a more recent talk.
  
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  Now THAT is one messed up witness

  by pale.emperor in

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  my youtube channel which has some kingdom hall talks has been getting some very angry and some strange witnesses commenting and defending it.

  check out this nutter from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znpzkakaki&google_comment_id=z12evtjofrujijrvm22permpenj3tr5vp:.

  jw: i am a jehovah's witness and the brother gave a very good talk.

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  NikL

  Nope.

  There are only around 140 to 150 songs. I can't remember the exact number off hand.
  
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  Now THAT is one messed up witness

  by pale.emperor in

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  my youtube channel which has some kingdom hall talks has been getting some very angry and some strange witnesses commenting and defending it.

  check out this nutter from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znpzkakaki&google_comment_id=z12evtjofrujijrvm22permpenj3tr5vp:.

  jw: i am a jehovah's witness and the brother gave a very good talk.

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  NikL

  Something wrong here.

  Talks are not an hour long and there is no song 208
  
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  Rank & File Reaction to Leah Remini Series

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  wife and i have watched the whole series and just finished episode 7 last night.

  personally, i am seeing a great deal more subtle and day to day similarities to watchtower than the obvious ones i already knew existed, ie shunning.

  very eye opening and heartbreaking, even more so than going clear in my mind.

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  My wife (who is a very in witness) and I have enjoyed the whole series as well.

  She doesn't see the similarities at all as far as I can tell and I don't push her on the issue.

  I am realizing more and more that the cult is too much for me. I can't help her wake up. It's all up to her. Hopefully things like this TV series will help down the road.
  
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  20/20 special about scientology with a representative!

  by nonjwspouse in

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  i just ran across it on abc.

  a scientology representative is discussing leah remini and others.

  the representative is such a spinner.

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  The term "apostate" was used a few times.

  That was nice since my very IN wife was watching with me.

  She can see how terrible it is when Scientology does these things but not her own religion so using a term apostate seemed to bring it closer to home.

  I am hoping anyway.
  
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  Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?

  by NikL in

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  my wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.

  not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.

  at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.

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  NikL

  There has been a lot of talk on here about Leah doing a similar documentary of JWs.

  While I definitely would be excited to see it, the sad thing is most JWs wouldn't watch. Just "apostate lies and slander from those diseased individuals trying to tarnish Jehovah’s name" don't ya know.

  Hang in there Flipper.

  Consider yourself hugged bro.
  
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  GRACE? GRACE? What the F*** is GRACE? Jehovah's Witnesses have no idea!

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  i think all of us ex-j-dubs have had the --i'll call it a privilege--to exchange views with others who think differently than we do.

  we encounter "christians" from mainstream churches.our dialogue is sort of...like speaking to martians.sooner or later, an ex-dub smacks into a wall.

  that wall is a subject which is never spoken about or taught by the gb or watchtower with any candor.

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  NikL

  Every other translation I checked says "grace" where the NWT says "Undeserved kindness".

  It reads so much clunkier that way...the other way is so...graceful if you will.

  I looked at the kingdom interlinear and they have "χάρις, ιτος, ἡ" translated undeserved kindness.

  Strongs says...

  charis: grace, kindnessOriginal Word: χάρις, ιτος, ἡ
  Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
  Transliteration: charis
  Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ece)
  Short Definition: grace, favor, kindness
  Definition: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, (b) favor, (c) gratitude, thanks, (d) a favor, kindness.

  I don't see "undeserved" anywhere.