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  WT - Study Ed, October 2017 - The Truth Brings, “Not Peace, But a Sword”

  by Sanchy in

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  another article analyzing how bad poor jw's have it when it comes to opposition from family.

  few interesting quotes:.

  parr 2:.

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  NikL

  Great post and commentary on this article.

  (sigh) another one I'll have to sit through gritting my teeth I fear.
  
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  Newspaper article "Slamming the door on Jehovah"

  by NikL in

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  2. friends

  i came across this article in the australian newspaper the age.. it's a couple years old so it may have been brought to everyone's attention before but just in case.... http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/slamming-the-door-on-jehovah-20130315-2g6fo.html.

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  NikL

  I came across this article in the Australian newspaper The Age.

  It's a couple years old so it may have been brought to everyone's attention before but just in case...

  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/slamming-the-door-on-jehovah-20130315-2g6fo.html
  
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  144,000 & The Trinity

  by Libby in

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  2. bible

  now that i'm looking beyond what the wt teaches i'm struggling to find information on three topics.

  the 144,000, the trinity and prayer.. if anyone has 5 minutes could they explain:.

  1. what do other religions think the 144,000 are or is?

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  NikL

  I am kind of where you are at. Trying to figure things out. Here is where I am at today which may be different tomorrow as I endeavor to learn more about the real "truth" about God.

  As to the divinity of Jesus...

  I think of it this way.

  God the father, Jesus, and the Holy spirit are all different manifestations of GOD.

  God in heaven as a spirit is the father. That's why no one has seen him but the son.
  

  God in the form of man so that man can see him and understand God the father is Jesus.

  The holy spirit is God as he moves in us and does things in the world around us.

  I don't see why God can't wear different hats and be in more than one place at a time. Couldn't God who created the universe and EVERYTHING separate a piece of himself into a different person (Jesus) and let him experience being fully human to pay the ransom?

  Just where my head is at.

  Best wishes on your journey of discovery in freedom from the darkness of the Watchtower.
  
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  Yesterday's Watchtower Study 11 June 2017

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "what will go when god's kingdom comes?

  " from april w/tower.

  we start with a picture of jesus riding a white horse into battle, galloping towards terrified people in darkness.

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  NikL

  as long as you stay on the meds.

  True that!

  For the "happiest people in the world" There is an awful lot of depression and other mental illness.
  
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  More scullduggery in the New World Translation?

  by NikL in

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  2. bible

  i was reading in jude last night in the esv bible.. i came across this little gem as i was falling asleep and woke right up.. jude 1:5.

  5 now i want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that jesus, who saved a people out of the land of egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

  jesus who saved a people out of egypt?

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  NikL

  Finally Left
  I am trying to relearn the Bible. I do not read the NWT - that is for sure.

  Same here. I am not ready to go the whole atheist route like so many on here.
  

  I still consider myself a Christian and am trying to re-imagine what that means and learn as much as possible
  
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  JW Sound System Hacked During Meeting . #jworg #jwonly

  by TTaTT4U in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdfs5b-ant4.

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  NikL

  I've though about doing this before. It is REALLY easy to do :-)
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  More scullduggery in the New World Translation?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading in jude last night in the esv bible.. i came across this little gem as i was falling asleep and woke right up.. jude 1:5.

  5 now i want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that jesus, who saved a people out of the land of egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

  jesus who saved a people out of egypt?

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  NikL

  I was reading in Jude last night in the ESV bible.

  I came across this little gem as I was falling asleep and woke right up.

  Jude 1:5
  

  5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

  Jesus who saved a people out of Egypt? I had never seen that before.

  So I looked it up in other translations and they all say "Lord" instead of "Jesus".

  The NWT says "Jehovah" instead of Jesus.

  5 Although you are fully aware of all of this, I want to remind you that Jehovah, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those not showing faith.

  I wanted to understand why the ESV used Christ in that verse.
  

  So on further investigation on the the ESV website I found some interesting cross reference scriptures...

  1 Corinthians 10:4-5

  4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, with most of them God was not pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

  Okay. Christ was the spiritual rock. Got it.

  But wait! The NWT says it "meant" the Christ...

  4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they used to drink from the spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock meant the Christ.

  That's not quite the same thing is it?

  The other scripture the ESV uses to back up their use of Christ in this verse in Jude is 1 Cor. 10:9

  9 We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents,

  Of course every JW worth his salt is familiar with the NWT wording of that verse...

  Neither let us put Jehovah* to the test, as some of them put him to the test, only to perish by the serpents

  Most other translations I've looked at use Christ in the place where NWT uses Jehovah. Some use Lord but they are in the minority.

  This is a HUGE deal to me. The meaning of These scriptures is COMPLETELY changed by the insertion of Jehovah in these scriptures.

  I realize most here aren't interested in bible research but I though I'd share anyway.
  
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  Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

  any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

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  NikL

  Wow.

  I am confused.

  I guess Jah wanted it really complicated to keep out the uneducated schmucks such as myself.

  I mean, seriously, none of this makes any sense to me.

  I guess that's why the rank and file JW doesn't even know it's part of the dogma of their beloved Org.

  Those silly churches of Christendom. They just believe in Jesus.

  Jesus this and Jesus that.
  

  Jesus Jesus Jesus!

  Jesus and his grace in forgiving their sins and trying to be better people because of it. They even believe that Jesus died for all of us. (GASP)
  

  Won't they be surprised when God smites them?
  
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  Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

  any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

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  NikL

  Thanks for the info darkspilver.

  I thought there was something at one point that said the Greek scriptures were mainly directed to the anointed or something to that effect?

  Maybe it was a long time ago?

  In all honesty, even your concise summary of JW doctrine in this is confusing to me.

  I think Carol1111 has it close except as darkspilver said

  The JW teaching, as per above chart/link shows the old law covenant, mediated by Moses, was between Jehovah and natural Israel ONLY.

  So that means the rest of the "great crowd" are not under any covenant as of yet no? We are like the gentiles in pre-christian times?
  
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  Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

  any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

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  NikL

  I was trying to find something recent that I can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.

  Most of what I am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook WT style prattle.

  My wife argues that it's not even true and I think that's the case with most JayDubs.

  So I guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?

  Any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?