i left the jw organization last year during summer.
maybe some of you can relate.
who of you are agnostic or an atheist?
Believers often are eviscerated on this forum. There is not really a place for them here if they express any belief in God. I would leave personal belief out and stick to facts, history, science and evidence-based discussions. Faith is not readily 'tolerated' here.
We have one religion to critique here. Really, that's quite enough to me!
i'm noticing what seems to be a higher incidence of the above among the local jws than in the "general" (read: worldly) population.
i don't say this lightly, my wanderings around the fringes of jw society locally is revealing an alarming trend here.
the poverty doesn't help (there are good jobs, but you need a degree or qualifications to get one).. anyone else see this?
hoarding's not something I've ever noticed. JWs i knew were all about appearing neat. My mom vacuumed every day and all of the jw ladies I knew were very tidy. . .I didn't peek in closets.
Anxiety- lots. Migraines. Many. My mom had a mild heart attack when in her mid 30s. Lots of alcohol issues all around. One lady was so thin, nervous, fragile-but she was abuse victim. She missed so many meetings. Family always there.
Armageddon was imminent. You spend decades expecting Armageddon/the end of the world and it makes you wonder how ANY of us are still sane. Or if we are.
living in new england means having lots of snow and cold.
elders were very reluctant to cancel or reschedule a meeting due to the weather.
i lived 3 towns away from the kingdom hall and if it was icy and treacherous my vote would always be to cancel the meeting....and forget about rescheduling!.
We rarely had had enough weather to close the schools, and we lived about a mile from the KH, so we may have missed two meetings in 20 years for weather. . .
with all those happy holidays gorby took some time to search in online dutch newspaper archives.
great to see how much information is on the net.. i searchedon the subject jw and many articles, from negatie to positive and all in between came on the screen.. like the blood issue, 1975 worlds end, ray franz incident, former witness, finance,etc etc.. the question i asked myself, is that if there is so much kind of scandals and negative information over the years,how can a person ignore this?.
if it looks like a pig, it smells like a pig and makers the noise of it... it has to be one.. g..
Harvey Weinstein was a major player in all kinds of success in the entertainment industry and he was taken down. So was Kevin Spacey and Matt Lauer. Clearly, eventually, deals made with the devil can become void. There is hope. Timing and subject matter clearly matters. Getting the attention of the public matters. Pissing off a lot of females helps.
This is one little pissante cult. There is a key to bringing them down. . . What is it?
so these countries roughly constitute europe.. here's how well they did in 2017 vs 2016:.
2017 peak pubs.
2016 peak pubs.
Yay! I just feel bad about the non euro/American folks.
hopefully more are on the same path.
here is the story..... this person i know was the model jw, and them and their spouse could have really moved up.
they knew i was gone and awhile ago started asking me questions.
they were doing a good job keeping a straight face while listening to him. Someone ought to show them stephen Lett. Pretty much anything he says and they will lose their composure.
i've been to the kingdom ministry school (for elders) recently and can report that it is mostly the usual mix of cliches and platitudes.
several letters where basically just read through one line at a time.
one point early on though almost made me laugh out loud.
I keep getting the little blue pill ads in my email box and I am a middle aged lady with no interest in blue pills. I am the only one with access to my computer, so its a mystery to me!
so yesterday a family friend who was never age overs witness give me a phone call.
he says that he is quite upset with me and wants to give me a chance to explain why i'm treating my father so portly.
mind you i have not seen my father or mother in about 3 years and they refused to talk to me except for the occaisional crazy letter that my mother will send.. anyway my the family friend stated that he spoke to my mother and brother and they both told him that because i choose to leave the religion and in turn separate myself from the family it has caused my 80 something year old father a tremendous amount of stress and she is becoming sick and they're not sure how much longer he will be with us.. shoot felipe nothing they say really bothers me much anymore but the fact that i'm being accused of slowly killing my father because i've decided to make a decision that's better from my own family is actually quite frustrating to me.. give you hours after having of the conversation with our family friend i get a call from my older brother who then begins to be raped me and tells me that i should accept responsibility for the fact that i am the cause of our ejean father's poor health and that leaving jehovah causes problems not only for me but for those who love me.
he is getting old and he will die because that is what happens to human beings. THAT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. He had wrong expectations and that is not your responsibility. They refuse to communicate with you and you are causing stress for living your life on your terms.
Hard to muster up any sympathy for that kind of nonsense.
Send him a sympathy card about how much you regret that he was under the illusion that he would never grow old and die.
Geez.
so my mum asked me to watch the broadcast and to my astonishment i got through it without smashing my screen haha.. so i let her know what liars they are for saying they would never deliberately distort a quotation.. she is ok for me to give her some printouts of watchtower material where this has in fact happened, contry to what they say.. where should i start and what would be your best link, or way to approach this.
i think this is a good opportunity of waking her up, if she can see that the broadcast has lied to her, she won't be happy.. any advice is you can give is so appreciated.. thanks everyone..
Only share the ones that she can't justify with some vagueness clause. They have to be the real ones and there can be NO questionable ones in the mix. I know how they think and you do too-one example of yours that lacks credibilty will destroy the rest by association.
https://youtu.be/cafygzb1geo.
maybe she can help out watchtower with their monthly videos.. great job.
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I wish I was that bold and fearless. About anything, about everything. Everytime I say anything that is true(unpopular), it is deliberately misunderstood and I am shunned, ejected, removed and silenced. She has talent in being able to say what is true, and saying it in a way that others HEAR and UNDERSTAND her message. Good for Apostate Chick.
