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I must have spent days on here going through years of posts.
I know exactly that feeling.
cappytan
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Long Time Lurker
by the comet init took a few years but i finally decided to join yesterday.
my background, born-in, still go to meetings for family reasons, i am inactive however.
if you were to ask when i first woke up i would say 2010 with the overlapping generation garbage.
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JW's use UN to condemn South Korea for imprisonment of Conscientious Objectors
by cappytan inalthough the organization condemns the un as a satanic organization that will turn on jws and try to destroy them, they're not above using the evil satanic image of the wild beast for personal gain.. link to article on jw.borg here: http://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/south-korea/human-rights-violations-conscientious-objectors/.
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south korea guilty of arbitrary detention of conscientious objectors.
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Although the organization condemns the UN as a Satanic organization that will turn on JWs and try to destroy them, they're not above using the evil Satanic Image of the Wild Beast for personal gain.
Link to article on jw.BORG here: http://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/south-korea/human-rights-violations-conscientious-objectors/
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South Korea Guilty of Arbitrary Detention of Conscientious Objectors
The UN Human Rights Committee has condemned the government of South Korea for the arbitrary detention of conscientious objectors and for violating their right to freedom of conscience. This is the fifth decision that the Committee has issued against South Korea for imprisoning conscientious objectors, but for the first time it finds their imprisonment “arbitrary.”
In the previous four decisions involving a total of 501 conscientious objectors, the Committee found that South Korea violated their freedom to thought, conscience, and religion as guaranteed by Article 18 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). This latest decision, adopted on October 15, 2014, and made public on January 14, 2015, involving 50 young Witness men, * went further. The Committee found that by punishing these men with imprisonment for exercising a fundamental right, the government also violated Article 9 of the ICCPR, which prohibits arbitrary detention and guarantees the right to compensation. The Committee stated that “‘arbitrariness’ . . . must be interpreted more broadly to include elements of inappropriateness [and] injustice.” It thus concluded that “detention as punishment for legitimate exercise of freedom of religion and conscience as guaranteed by article 18 of the Covenant” is arbitrary.
Obligation to Resolve the Issue
In its decision, the Committee called upon the government of South Korea to expunge the criminal records of the 50 Witnesses and to provide them with adequate compensation. Further, it stated that the government “is under an obligation to . . . [adopt] legislative measures guaranteeing the right to conscientious objection.” Within 180 days of the decision’s adoption, South Korea is required to provide “information about the measures taken to give effect to the present Views.”
South Korea has consistently objected that it cannot implement an alternative service program because of threats to its national security and the lack of national consensus on the issue. For the fifth time, the Committee dismissed the government’s reasoning on these points, referring to the position expressed in its earlier Views issued in 2006. In these Views, the Committee stated that South Korea had “failed to show what special disadvantage would be involved for it if the rights of conscientious objectors would be fully respected.” On the issue of social cohesion and equitability, the Committee considered that “respect on the part of the State for conscientious beliefs and manifestations thereof is itself an important factor in ensuring cohesive and stable pluralism in society.” The Committee therefore maintains that South Korea has no justification for imprisoning conscientious objectors.
By its arbitrary detention of conscientious objectors, South Korea is clearly out of step with international jurisprudence and practice on this issue.
Although South Korea became a signatory to the ICCPR in 1990, it has consistently refused to abide by the obligations set out in this treaty regarding conscientious objectors. In fact, the Korean authorities continue to imprison hundreds of young Witnesses every year. The UN Human Rights Committee has repeatedly spoken out on behalf ofconscientious objectors in South Korea. Time will tell if the government will respond to mounting international pressure by ending the arbitrary detentions and adopting legislation that respects the conscience of its citizens.
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I need your advice
by cookiemaster ini need some advice.
actually my friend needs some advice.
a few years ago i moved about 50 km (30 miles) away from the nearest congo and have since tried to live a normal life.
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cappytan
Tell him/her not to meet with the elders.
They will ask probing questions that will either have to be answered with a lie, or, if answered truthfully, will either result in a disassociation or the forming of judicial committee inquisition for apostasy.
If your friend does not want to be a JW anymore, the best course of action is to just ignore them.
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cappytan
ok cappytan, please stop. You're killing me
I'm officially craving that now...I had 4 this morning.
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Advice needed on Crisis of Conscience
by cappytan inso, some of you may have seen my thread from yesterday about my wife waking up.. we had further discussion yesterday evening after i sent her the pbs video on the abuse scandals plaguing the watchtower.
she was so furious and pissed off at wt hq.
apparently a close relative of her's was abused by an elder and the only reason he was reproved and removed as an elder was because he confessed.
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I've certainly made no where near the progress with my wife that you've made in such a short time.
I think I got lucky in that she was having some doubts herself about the organization but she was trying to suppress them and didn't vocalize them at all until I "came out," so-to-speak. I had no clue she was on a similar wave length to me. If you look back to my first posts, I was so afraid to even bring anything up out of fear of losing her.
She told me that the emotional manipulation techniques at this past Convention is what got her doubting at first. Then the tight pants talk brought all those doubts up again.
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Advice needed on Crisis of Conscience
by cappytan inso, some of you may have seen my thread from yesterday about my wife waking up.. we had further discussion yesterday evening after i sent her the pbs video on the abuse scandals plaguing the watchtower.
she was so furious and pissed off at wt hq.
apparently a close relative of her's was abused by an elder and the only reason he was reproved and removed as an elder was because he confessed.
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I may have misunderstood and you are doing this face to face already...
Yeah, this convo took place face to face. I just don't have a hard copy of CoC. I only have the PDF.
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Ham and Egg tacos with Pico De Gallo.
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Advice needed on Crisis of Conscience
by cappytan inso, some of you may have seen my thread from yesterday about my wife waking up.. we had further discussion yesterday evening after i sent her the pbs video on the abuse scandals plaguing the watchtower.
she was so furious and pissed off at wt hq.
apparently a close relative of her's was abused by an elder and the only reason he was reproved and removed as an elder was because he confessed.
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So, some of you may have seen my thread from yesterday about my wife waking up.
We had further discussion yesterday evening after I sent her the PBS video on the abuse scandals plaguing the Watchtower. She was so furious and pissed off at WT HQ. Apparently a close relative of her's was abused by an elder and the only reason he was reproved and removed as an elder was because he confessed. The elders didn't get the authorities involved and this guy is still going to all the meetings and allowed to go in service and give comments.
The subject of Ray Franz came up. She was saying the Watchtower couldn't disfellowship you for having the thoughts we're having so long as we didn't cause divisions. I told her that yes, they could and mentioned how Ray Franz was disfellowshipped for just eating with his exJW employer.
I mentioned casually about how I've read his book and life story. She asked if I had a copy. I said yes and she asked if she could read it.
I told her I'd be happy to send her the PDF, but gave her fair warning that after reading it I felt like my world was crumbling. So she said, "Well, nevermind, I don't know if I can deal with that right now."
MY QUESTION: Should I send it to her or not? I don't really know how to approach this. I desperately want her to read it, and she herself asked for the copy, but at the same time I kind of screwed up and made her afraid of the feelings she might experience when reading it. Perhaps send it to her, but tell her she doesn't have to read it if she doesn't want to?
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Watchtower Lawyers -- How many?
by VM44 inthis has been brought up before, but i am going to ask it again....just how many lawyers does the watchtower have?
how many have they sent to law school?
and, why do they need so many lawyers?
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Child Abuse must be getting out of hand if they're addressing it...
by thedepressedsoul ini'm referring to the video that was uploaded where they finally mentioned the child abuse issue.
we all kinda guessed that if they ever addressed it they'd blame it on the media and apostates.
well, looks like we were spot on.
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Reading how JW are spinning this on FB is making me sick. They are honestly viewing these pedophile cases as persecution.
thedepressedsoul: Any links to JW spin? Just curious. I don't know many JWs that actually know about these cases or actually talk about them.
