Posts by cappytan

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Thoughts: Convinced that my wife will never awake from the brainwashing

by goingthruthemotions in

hello all, it's been a long time since i have posted.

well, things have not changed on my end.

i am still going thru the motions.

cappytan

Asking questions doesn't always work. Even though my wife woke up, asking questions made her upset. She said I was being condescending by asking questions. She said it felt like I was trying to teach her.

So, fair warning...that doesn't always work.

What ended up working for me was backing off. Instead of sharing the PBS Newshour special on Conti and saying, "LOOK AT HOW HORRIBLE THE ORGANIZATION IS!" I shared the special with her with no comment other than, "Story about JW's on PBS. Check it out." She watched it and got pissed off at the organization and was finally open to a real discussion.

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'Clergy' and 'Ordained Ministers'

by OrphanCrow in

what i can't seem reconcile are the concepts of 'clergy' and 'ordained minister'.. the wts has consistently won legal battles, specifically in cases involving military exemption, by making the claim that each and every baptized jw is an 'ordained minister'.

and, they bolstered this label with the assertion that 'we do not have a clergy class'.

so, why is that different now in the sex abuse trials that happening right now?

cappytan

I kind of agree, I was off topic. But, if we refer back to the OP, there are much more serious things to get upset about than someone going off topic or not "contributing" in a manner you deem meaningful.

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'Clergy' and 'Ordained Ministers'

by OrphanCrow in

what i can't seem reconcile are the concepts of 'clergy' and 'ordained minister'.. the wts has consistently won legal battles, specifically in cases involving military exemption, by making the claim that each and every baptized jw is an 'ordained minister'.

and, they bolstered this label with the assertion that 'we do not have a clergy class'.

so, why is that different now in the sex abuse trials that happening right now?

cappytan

Laphroig!

quartercask is my favorite.

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'Clergy' and 'Ordained Ministers'

by OrphanCrow in

what i can't seem reconcile are the concepts of 'clergy' and 'ordained minister'.. the wts has consistently won legal battles, specifically in cases involving military exemption, by making the claim that each and every baptized jw is an 'ordained minister'.

and, they bolstered this label with the assertion that 'we do not have a clergy class'.

so, why is that different now in the sex abuse trials that happening right now?

cappytan

@Viviane: what's your poison? Scotch? Bourbon? Canadian?

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'Clergy' and 'Ordained Ministers'

by OrphanCrow in

what i can't seem reconcile are the concepts of 'clergy' and 'ordained minister'.. the wts has consistently won legal battles, specifically in cases involving military exemption, by making the claim that each and every baptized jw is an 'ordained minister'.

and, they bolstered this label with the assertion that 'we do not have a clergy class'.

so, why is that different now in the sex abuse trials that happening right now?

cappytan

I kind of dig the Whiskey soaked Viviane.

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"Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted..."

by cappytan in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgds4z-h2i.

transcript below (with key points of interest bolded):.

please open your bibles to phil.

cappytan

Whats with the ears?

THE BETTER TO HEAR YOU WITH, MY DEAR - Oppressive Wolf

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"Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted..."

by cappytan in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgds4z-h2i.

transcript below (with key points of interest bolded):.

please open your bibles to phil.

cappytan

Wow, that was the most boring talk - ever. That guy was filled with such self-importance that it was unwatchable.

Yeah, this is par for the course for morning worship programs. It's a main reason why I skipped whenever possible while I was up there.

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"Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted..."

by cappytan in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgds4z-h2i.

transcript below (with key points of interest bolded):.

please open your bibles to phil.

cappytan

millie210
c) they are desperate and could only come up with the Saul/David story to build their case.

If you read between the lines, the real reason they brought up the Saul/David story is to make this point: "remained respectful of Saul’s position as God’s anointed one, refusing to attack, even when he had many opportunities to do so."

So don't you DARE attack Jehovah's anointed ones (the GB) by becoming apostates, even though you have a legitimate complaint.

"There is NEVER a reason to stop serving ~~Jehovah~~ the Governing Body."

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Phone call from a brother last night

by label licker in

jw
friends

the brother and his wife thought the statement at the end of this month's broad cast show was a little off.

the org stated that jehovah's organisation can not be corrupted.

(needless to say only three had shown up for the broadcast meeting at the hall) he's never heard that before so we filled him in as to what the org has been up to and gave him jwnet, jw facts as well as jw survey to look at.

cappytan

Here you go, folks: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/238090001/jehovahs-people-whole-can-never-corrupted

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"Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted..."

by cappytan in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgds4z-h2i.

transcript below (with key points of interest bolded):.

please open your bibles to phil.

cappytan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zGdS4z-h2I

Transcript below (with key points of interest bolded):

Please open your bibles to Phil. chapter 4.
If you’re using an electronic device, I invite you to do this by means of the JW Library app.
Sometimes in our public ministry, we have an opportunity to show people the difference between the King James version and the New World Translation.
If you tap the 6 on your iPad at Phil. 4:6, you’ll notice that the King James renders this verse “Be careful for nothing…” which sounds like an exhortation to worry needlessly, exactly the opposite of what Phil. 4:6,7 is encouraging us to do.
Namely, “Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything, by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving, let your petitions be made known to God and the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your mental powers by means of Christ Jesus.”
Now, I invite you to use the bookmark feature of your JW Library as we’ll return here.
But now, regarding the comments in our text today that have to do with stumbling, how is it, what are some sorts of understanding that are surpassed by the peace of God.
Sometimes, when a person is mistreated, he thinks, and rightly so, that this sort of thing ought not to happen in Jehovah’s organization.
How might the peace of God surpass that understanding?
One way is that Jehovah reminds us through his word that sometimes things happen in Jehovah’s organization that ought not to happen.
Turn, please, to 1 Samuel chapter 24 and verse 2.
Here, young David was enduring persecution from Saul, who had lost Jehovah’s favor and was jealous of David.
Notice what happens here in verse 2.
1 Samuel 24:2
“So Saul took 3,000 men chosen from all Israel and went to look for David and his men on the rocky cliffs of the mountain goats.”
Imagine that. The King of Israel, using Israel’s army, which was supported by dedicated funds, to go after a personal enemy.
An enemy of his that actually had Jehovah’s favor.
That was wrong on so many levels and it continued for years.
But the point is, what was David’s response to that?
Was he bitter?
Did he say, you know, “There’s no use even trying under circumstances like this?”
Well, no.
On the contrary, he remained respectful of Saul’s position as God’s anointed one, refusing to attack, even when he had many opportunities to do so.
In fact, notice his actions in verse 8.
‘Then David got up and went out from the cave and called out after Saul: “My lord the king!” When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down low with his face to the ground and prostrated himself.’
David refused to allow bitterness to poison his heart or to compromise his integrity.
But, today, we’re living in a time where Jehovah’s people as a whole can never be corrupted.
So, how is it that this brother that disappointed me can maintain a good standing?
That is a form of understanding.
How does the peace of God surpass that understanding?
Well, one way is that it brings back to our minds the Christian Greek Scriptures are full of counsel directed to us to help us put up with those who have given us a legitimate cause for complaint.
So, we shouldn’t be surprised if occasionally one of our brothers or sisters is lacking in some Christian quality.
Is it possible that applying the words of Phillipians chapter 4 verse 8 will help us?
A lot has to do with the way that we direct our thoughts.
If you have enabled your electronic bookmark, you can just tap it and go back to Philipians chapter 4.
And while you’re tapping, tap the 8 for the Kingdom Interlinear rendering.
The main text of Philipians 4:8 reads - “Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable…continue considering these things.”
But, notice that the Kingdom Interlinear, instead of lovable, uses the expression “affection inducing.”
Jehovah wants us to consider what is good in people, to focus on that which induces our affection for them rather than our resentment.
And the article “Finding the Key to Brotherly Affection” in the October 15th 1993 issue of the Watchtower, the Watchtower boiled the whole process down to one word.
Appreciation.
Appreciation is the key to brotherly affection.
Yes, I’m hurt.
However, is there something or anything that I or God or others sees in this brother and appreciates?
Can I see it?
Is he seeking first the kingdom?
He didn’t have to make himself available to serve Jehovah here at Bethel, but he has.
Is he putting up a good fight against our three common enemies, Satan the Devil, the flesh, the world?
Despite where he has come from in life and what he is presently going through, is he not really doing his best?
Continue considering the “affection inducing” things.
Moreover, listen to what it says right here in Philipians chapter 4 and verse 13.
“For all things I have the strength through the one who gives me power.”
Now, true, when an offense is a major sin, it’s understandable that we would take steps to initiate the appropriate congregation action.
But we should always remember that Jehovah gives us the strength we need to serve him, even under difficult circumstances.
There’s never a reason to stop serving Jehovah.
We should always be ready to ask Jehovah for his help, particularly if it seems something is going to interfere with our feelings for him and our stand for his Kingdom.
Always ready to ask Jehovah for his help.
Indeed, we should be careful for nothing, not in the sense of worrying needlessly, but in the sense of our day’s text, that we keep on asking Jehovah.
Not being anxious over anything but letting our petitions be made known to God with the confidence that he will supply us the strength that we need to remain firm and do his will.