i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
When will people get it that the onus is on the one making the claim to prove that claim.
When a theist says, "There is a God!" and the atheist says, "I don't believe you," it's not up to the atheist to prove his position. The burden of proof is on the one making the extraordinary claim.
Rebel: Viv doesn't have to prove that there is no God. That responsibility lies with the one claiming there is a God.
i get infuriated when i see the god's (guardians of doctrine) sporting pinky rings or rings on there right hands.
like a club association.
when i try and take a look at the ring it resembles a masionic ring.
i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.
we both served as elders for years.
he is in his late 70s.
i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.
we both served as elders for years.
he is in his late 70s.
Wow.
The cult indoctrination in me says "lies!"
The apostate in me says, "awesome!"
The skeptic in me says, "That's interesting. I'd like to know more."
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Yes, I did. And it wasn't a challenge, it was a request for proof of EoMs claim (which bohm was also unable to answer).
Also, people keep forgetting the keywords you used in your answer...you stated that there was no computer program that evolved on its own.
That's true. It's because there is no such program.
Why the subject of computer programs that evolve ever came up to begin with is beyond me, though. It's a non-starter false equivalency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4z2-sf4ky.
there doing this right under my nose but i just found out.
not sure what to do but would like your help on getting me wt information on my headship role and how they shouldn't be doing this with out my permission.
also would like some help on showing my son the ramifications on what happens to someone when they get baptized and how they'll expect him to treat me.
I agree. The "man-up" comments are uncalled for.
jwfacts advice seems very sound.
Also, seeking legal redress may drive a wedge between you and your wife, but this is your son's LIFE we're talking about here. It should be a last resort, but you should definitely consider it.
just thought i would update you guys since my 1st post last week.i haven't been to the meeting for about 2 weeks now, and maybe have like 1 or 2 hours of service combined within the past 2-3 months.
i obviously get the love bombing from relatives when they don't see you at the hall for a while.
" we missed you at the meeting last week.
Here is how to prove 587 using only JW literature. (Copypasta courtesy of u/wifibandit)
EDIT: Formatting sucked when I copy/pasted.
See source here: https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/37e61s/587_vs_607_jw_sources_only/
my nephew is a sweet, smart, thoughtful person.
he wants to go to college.. normally, a mom would be proud to have a son like this.. nope, not a friggin jw mom.
apparently, he's being selfish to both her and jehovah.
a year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.
world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.
so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?
Cappy, I've been very impressed with you lately. This move must have been good for you.
Freedom to think; great to have it, isn't it?
GreatTeacher: certainly is. I'm able to find my own way, and I never take things at face value anymore.
Being skeptical isn't the same as being a pessimist. I had to realize that.
(I still love my guns though...lol)
