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  Something cause this??? but what??

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  i like to wonder, and be able to think independent of any subject or topic thats provoke me.

  even if these subjects are "weird" or not.. it look like sometimes ,there is topics that seems to already been explained seriously as hoaxes.

  so dont even bother to try to explain it otherwise,or if u want to maintain serious.. well here is a challenge for you.. try to explain these images.. since 1980 these crop circles has appeared ,and increased every year.. what do u think of this circle that appeared today.

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  Norm

  Hi Prisca,

  Could you please knit a sweater for me with those patterns?
  Then we would also know who made them.

  Norm
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  Threat's and intimidation

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  doing research about children slaves i remembered a watchtower article from the early sixties.

  it had the title:.

  in this article the watchtower society really take the gloves off and give us a glimpse of its real personality, an excellent reflection of the very god they worship.

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  Doing research about Children slaves I remembered a Watchtower article from the early sixties. It had the title:

  “Children, Do You Obey Jehovah?”

  In this article the Watchtower Society really take the gloves off and give us a glimpse of it’s real personality, an excellent reflection of the very God they worship. The watchword is OBEDIENCE. And as we all know obedience to Jehovah is synonymous with obedience to the Watchtower organization. The name of the game is to gain control over other people and keep it. It doesn’t hurt to begin indoctrination as early as possible, children are like clay, you know:

  *** w62 8/15 489 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  CHILDREN born into this degenerate world are surrounded by an unwholesome influence that can ruin them. Because they are impressionable like clay, it can mold them to be like it, unless they are dominated by a good influence and guided to respect high moral standards.

  
  
  Domination and the influence from the Brooklyn multinational publishing empire will do the trick. Now, remember that all the quotes you will read here is examples of what Brooklyn consider “good influence”. The Watchtower Society always need new “distributors” to spread their worthless literature. And what better way of doing that than to fool people into thinking that doing such work is a “service” to God. So listen to the Organization You Children, if you want to stay alive:

  *** w62 8/15 490 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  GOOD REASONS TO OBEY HIM
  6 You can never go wrong by obeying Jehovah. What he tells you through his Word and organization is for your best interests and for the prolonging of your life.

  Of course neither adults nor children can be relied on to decide for themselves what to think and what to believe. That would mean the end of the Watchtower Society. Real slaves should always let someone else think and decide for them, and who better than the Watchtower Society?:

  *** w62 8/15 490 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  Even adults cannot rightfully and safely decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong but must rely upon God’s laws. The wise course is to follow this advice: “Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.”—Prov. 3:5, 6.

  So trust in “Jehovah”=The Watchtower Society, they will decide what is best for you. And of course it is the only sure way of survival when Jehovah butcher the rest of mankind. Again, obedience to “Jehovah” and the whole hierarchy of the Watchtower Society means survival, failing to dedicate your life to distribute whatever bilge the Watchtower Society turn out will mean certain death. You children shouldn’t think that Jehovah will be sparing you just because you are a child, trust the Watchtower, he will slaughter you just as easy as he slaughter your parents:

  *** w62 8/15 490-1 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  By being obedient to Jehovah it is possible to have life always, for it is written: “This is the promised thing that he himself promised us, the life everlasting.” (1 John 2:25) But he has promised it only to those that love and obey him, not to those that disobey. He can no more be expected to give the gift of life to children that disobey him than can good parents be expected to give a promised gift to disobedient children. Instead of giving a gift the parents would punish disobedient children. Jehovah is not different. “He will render to each one according to his works: everlasting life to those who are seeking glory and honor and incorruptibleness by endurance in work that is good; however, for those who are contentious and who disobey the truth but obey unrighteousness there will be wrath and anger, tribulation and distress.”—Rom. 2:6-9.

  Do you feel restricted and confined by all the written and unwritten laws of the Watchtower Society? Do you feel that their interference and their constant surveillance of your life is suffocating? Don’t think that just because you observe a lot of people leading normal lives, isn’t immediately zapped by Jehovah, that he isn’t going to butcher them in the end:

  *** w62 8/15 491 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  10 Because you children within the Christian organization see those outside it doing things that are forbidden to you, you may at times feel that the Scriptural restrictions on you are confining. You may be tempted to disregard them when you see that those outside are not struck down by lightning or swallowed up by the earth for doing what is Scripturally wrong. To conclude that you too can do what is wrong without harm to yourselves would be a serious mistake. Because wrongdoing is not punished immediately, that does not mean wrongdoers will not be punished.

  Why do you think the Watchtower literature is so chock-full of urgings, directions and instructions about “serving” to the rank and file Witnesses? Because they are so reluctant to “serve” of course:

  *** w62 8/15 493 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  19 God has no pleasure in the person that serves him reluctantly and has to be prodded continually by others to do the divine will. If you truly love your Creator you will want to obey him.

  Jehovah will of course not hesitate for a second in exterminating children who don’t participate in pushing Watchtower magazines on people. So all you children out there who think life is just fun and games, use your vacation periods to spread the Brooklyn message of doom and gloom or be “terminated” by Jehovah:

  *** w62 8/15 493 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  21 Activity in the Christian ministry cannot be confined to adults. It is a privilege of service that you children can Scripturally participate in and should engage in. If you want to obey Jehovah you will engage regularly in the ministerial activities that are arranged by the theocratic organization. Aside from weekly service in the ministry that the organization makes available to you, it gives you the splendid opportunity to serve your Creator every day during vacation periods by being a vacation pioneer out in the witness field. What better way is there to spend the major portion of a vacation? Since the proclamation of Jehovah’s truths and purposes to the people has been commanded by him, do you obey him by zealously engaging in it regularly?

  A “wrong attitude” is also quite deadly for children. Not only are you obliged to “serve” the Watchtower Society but you also better LIKE it, or else:

  *** w62 8/15 494 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  Shunning such responsibilities by rejecting the assignments reveals a wrong mental attitude, an unwillingness to use your strength and abilities fully in advancing the interests of God’s kingdom. This is not serving him with delight. It is not showing wholehearted devotion to him. Do not reject theocratic assignments but be grateful that you were found worthy of greater service privileges.

  Of course in 1962 as always the end was imminent, so if you children don’t want to be road kill very “shortly” you better obey. Remember there is no point in appealing to Jehovah and say, “but we are only children”:

  *** w62 8/15 494 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  26 We are living in a momentous time in human history, not from the standpoint of the remarkable inventions man has produced, but from the standpoint of Jehovah’s purposes. It is the long-foretold time of the end for the present wicked world. Shortly Jehovah will terminate its existence in the battle of Armageddon and usher in a new world of righteousness. It is a serious time for children as well as adults, because children that do not obey Jehovah will not be among the survivors of that battle. God will not preserve them into his new world merely because they are children.

  Just take a look at how totally merciless Jehovah is according to the Bible. He has killed a lot of children before, just look at the wonderful example mentioned by Ezekiel. Unless you are participating in pushing Watchtower literature you don’t stand much of a chance, so you better buckle down to it, or - :

  *** w62 8/15 494-5 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  This is evident from the fact that he did not preserve the young children through the flood of Noah’s day just because they were children. It is also shown in the book of Ezekiel that just because you are young is no reason for God’s keeping you alive. Ezekiel wrote: “Slay utterly the old man, the young man and the virgin, and little children and women; but come not near any man upon whom is the mark.” (Ezek. 9:6, AS) Your being children who worship and serve Jehovah as he has commanded and who have the mark of protection—ah yes, that will mean preservation and life for you.

  It is impossible to obtain the “mark” if you don’t participate in the “ministry” and mind you don’t fail to attend the “meetings” either:

  *** w62 8/15 495 Children, Do You Obey Jehovah? ***
  27 The question, Do you obey Jehovah? is so important that your continued existence and eternal welfare depend upon your being able to give an affirmative answer. If you cannot, then take immediate steps so that you can. Gain an extensive knowledge of Jehovah’s written Word and purposes and use that knowledge regularly in the ministry. Do not fail to be at congregational meetings of the New World society of Jehovah’s witnesses. Be wise by walking the path of obedience to Jehovah before Armageddon, that you may be alive after Armageddon.

  Yes, the “New World Society” is indeed quite a “paradise”. How wonderful to live in such an environment. Obey the Watchtower Society or die! Can anyone really imagine a better way to spend ones entire life?

  Norm.
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  The UN and the Watchtower Society

  by Norm in

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  considering the simple fact that the watchtower society has declared the united nations an organization lead by satan, it certainly devote a lot of attention to what the un do and say.

  *** w99 5/1 15 "let the reader use discernment" ***.

  the watchtower definitively said: the whole tendency of the league of nations is to turn the people away from god and from christ, and it is therefore a desolating thing, the product of satan, and an abomination in the sight of god.

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  Hi Lisa,

  Norm, do you have the articles you've written anywhere on the web?

  Thanks,
  Lisa

  Yes, some of it is here:

  http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm

  Norm
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  The UN and the Watchtower Society

  by Norm in

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  considering the simple fact that the watchtower society has declared the united nations an organization lead by satan, it certainly devote a lot of attention to what the un do and say.

  *** w99 5/1 15 "let the reader use discernment" ***.

  the watchtower definitively said: the whole tendency of the league of nations is to turn the people away from god and from christ, and it is therefore a desolating thing, the product of satan, and an abomination in the sight of god.

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  Considering the simple fact that the Watchtower Society has declared the United Nations an organization lead by Satan, it certainly devote a lot of attention to what the UN do and say.

  *** w99 5/1 15 "Let the Reader Use Discernment" ***
  The Watchtower definitively said: “The whole tendency of the League of Nations is to turn the people away from God and from Christ, and it is therefore a desolating thing, the product of Satan, and an abomination in the sight of God.” So in 1919 “the disgusting thing” appeared. In time, the League gave way to the United Nations. Jehovah’s Witnesses have long exposed these human peace organizations as disgusting in God’s sight.

  The Awake! Magazine in particular is full of quotes from various UN reports and other UN material. The latest and most interesting development regarding this can be found in July 22. Issue of Awake which talk about the UN “International Year of Volunteers”. Apparently both Satan and the Watchtower Society think this is an excellent idea and the Awake report:

  International Year of Volunteers

  On November 20,1997, the General Assembly of the United Nations proclaimed the year 2001 to be the "International Year of Volunteers," (IYV 2001). According to the UN, there are four objectives to be achieved during the year.

  Increased recognition Governments are encouraged to recognize the importance of volunteers by studying and recording their achievements and bestowing awards on outstanding volunteer activities.

  Increased facilitation Countries are urged to encourage volunteerism by, for example, accepting volunteer service as an alternative to military service or providing certain tax exemptions.

  Networking The media are invited to assist more in publicizing success stories of volunteer work. As a result, such projects could be replicated, "avoiding the need for each local community to reinvent the wheel."

  Promotion Volunteer organizations are encouraged to arrange exhibitions to inform the public about the benefits that society is reaping from volunteer work.

  The UN hopes that IYV 2001 will result in more requests for the services of volunteers, in more offers from people to serve as volunteers, and in more funding and facilities for volunteer organizations to tackle society's growing needs. A total of 123 governments have joined in sponsoring the objectives of this UN resolution. Awake! July 22, 2001 Box page 5

  Now let us see what Brooklyn consider would tackle “society’s growing needs”? What benefits do society reap from the work of the Watchtower Society and Jehovah's Witnesses?

  The first example is from Brazil, (on page 6) where a Jehovah's Witness woman, Sirly is teaching 60 senior citizens to read and write. It is no doubt a very commendable and good thing, but is Sirly doing this to “tackle the needs” of the larger society? Or is she in fact conducting a “Bible study” with the aim of converting people to her religion? Of course we know the answer to that. Do the Awake! Article bother to mention this interesting detail? No, of course not. Then follows a litany of how the same thing is done in Africa and how impressed everybody is with the Witnesses, Awake! Reports that they even got an Award for this in Burundi.

  On page 8, the Kobe earthquake disaster is mentioned. The Witness community in Japan was of course organizing help for the Jehovah's Witnesses in Kobe. It is really interesting to see how the writer strive to make it appear that the supplies contributed was for the general relief effort. Yet he didn’t want to lie so look at the wording of this sentence:

  “One Christian elder involved In the relief work found that his Kingdom Hall was soon stocked with more supplies than could be used. What was to be done with it all?”
  Awake! July 22, 2001, page 8.

  Here Jehovah's Witnesses was in a disaster area with thousands of people needing the supplies they had stocked in the KH, and the Elder had a problem? Why was it more than he could use? Because the Jehovah's Witnesses in Kobe that was affected by the quake didn’t need more of it of course. Was Jehovah's Witnesses even considering giving any of these supplies to worldly citizens of Kobe? No way. They gave their surplus to a hospital, which “later became very cooperative with patients who are Jehovah's Witnesses” according to Awake!

  Then on page 9 the magazine brags about an enormous relief aid program out of France for Congo. Of course the article surgically avoid telling that this was also for other Jehovah's Witnesses alone.

  Of course as always the Awake! Can’t avoid pointing out that relief work and such is of secondary importance. The Watchtower Society and Jehovah's Witnesses greatest contribution for the benefit of society is the world wide “Bible Education program”. Yes, you heard (read) right.

  The Awake say:

  “education is imperative because it develops a person's ability to make decisions that will improve his life. That is why today over six million part time and full time volunteers are using their time, efforts, and resources to provide free Bible education to the public.” Awake! July 22, 2001, page 11.

  According the Awake” their Bible education give people something they call “A purpose in life”. We know that this “education” program have had great “impact” on millions of people. It has caused millions to skip needed education and good jobs to “pioneer”. It has “educated” them about resisting blood transfusions and it has taught them all they know about shunning and such wonderful “knowledge”.

  The Awake concludes the article like this:

  “By providing Bible education, Jehovah's Witnesses perform a volunteer service with long lasting benefits. How long lasting? God's Word states: "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." (John 17:3) Imagine participating in a program with everlasting benefits now that is a form of volunteer service that truly makes a difference! 1s that not the type of program you would like to learn more about? If so, contact Jehovah's Witnesses in your community. Acting on this invitation will be a step you will not regret.” Awake! July 22, 2001, page 12.

  This sums up the Watchtower Society’s contribution to Satan’s proclaimed “Year of Volunteers”
  Pretty pathetic but if you are an idiot you might be able to convince yourself that such far fetched nonsense actually contribute to anything. It is however interesting to see how Brooklyn apparently is trying to appear mainstream and kiss up to such UN sponsored ideas. Brooklyn quite clearly is a very ambivalent towards UN. Take a look at this quote from the Watchtower:

  *** w95 10/1 3 Fifty Years of Frustrated Efforts ***
  For 50 years the United Nations organization has made notable efforts to bring about world peace and security. Arguably, it may have prevented a third world war, and the wholesale destruction of human life through the use of nuclear bombs has not been repeated. The United Nations has provided millions of children with food and medicine. It has contributed to improved health standards in many countries, providing, among other things, safer drinking water and immunization against dangerous diseases. Millions of refugees have received humanitarian assistance.
  In recognition of its accomplishments, the United Nations organization has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize five times. Yet, the lamentable fact of life is that we still do not live in a world without war.

  The Watchtower Society never tires of proclaiming what a despicable organization the UN is, how hopeless it is, how little it has accomplished, etc. The Watchtower Society, Jehovah's Witnesses have the ONLY solution. As we can see above, the Watchtower has to admit that UN has accomplished a whole lot in about 50 years. If we for a moment compare what the UN has achieved in those 50 years with what the Watchtower Society has achieved in 120 years?

  Are there anyone here who are in doubt about who has benefited humankind the most?
  Is it the UN or is it the Idiots that write drivel like this:

  *** w88 12/15 21-2 "Fear God and Give Him Glory" ***
  11 During the past 74 years, loyal anointed Christians, together with increasing numbers of the great crowd, have continued to FEAR GOD AND GIVE HIM GLORY. We have steadfastly declined to worship any nationalistic segment of the wild beast. We have refused to glorify the beast’s image—the League of Nations and the UN—for we realize that “the kingdom of our Lord [Jehovah] and of his Christ” alone can bring in true peace and security.

  *** w88 12/15 22 "Fear God and Give Him Glory" ***
  Most reprehensible has been her political philandering, even to the point of jockeying for prominence in riding the peace and security beast—the UN.

  *** w86 10/1 20 Peace From God-When? ***
  She commits spiritual harlotry by getting involved in politics. Religion’s linking up with the UN in the world’s campaign for peace and security is an example of this. She would also like to have peace and security from God’s judgment message proclaimed by Jehovah’s Witnesses. To this end, she has influenced some governments to ban the Christian activity of the Witnesses.

  *** w84 9/15 15 "All Israel" Saved to Bless All Mankind ***
  No, the UN is not a blessing, even though the religious clergy of Christendom and the rabbis of Jewry pray heaven’s blessing upon that organization. It is really “the image of the wild beast,” the visible political, commercial organization of “the god of this system of things,” Satan the Devil. So the UN will soon be destroyed along with that beastly organization.

  Now, what good has distributing this complete nonsense which is part of this wonderful “Bible education” program, ever done? What possible benefit has it been to anybody?

  Norm.
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  Bibles view of women and children.

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  christians want that everything must be wholesome and up building.

  of course nothing could be considered more so than the bible, the word of god.

  in our society we are very concerned with human rights and in particular the rights of women and children.

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  Logi,

  You said:

  So Norm, what are you complaining about? Go have some fun.

  Could you please explain exactly what FUN you talk about here?

  Norm.
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  Bibles view of women and children.

  by Norm in

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  christians want that everything must be wholesome and up building.

  of course nothing could be considered more so than the bible, the word of god.

  in our society we are very concerned with human rights and in particular the rights of women and children.

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  Christians want that everything must be “wholesome” and “up building”. Of course nothing could be considered more so than the Bible, the “Word of God”. In our society we are very concerned with human rights and in particular the rights of women and children. Let us take a look at some pretty substantial examples of the Biblical and subsequently God’s view of women and children:

  *** Rbi8 Numbers 31:14-18 ***
  And Moses grew indignant at the appointed men of the combat forces, the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from the military expedition. 15 So Moses said to them: “Have YOU preserved alive every female… 17 And now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male. 18 And preserve alive for yourselves all the little ones among the women who have not known the act of lying with a male.

  *** Rbi8 Numbers 31:31-41 ***
  31 And Moses and El•e•a'zar the priest went doing just as Jehovah had commanded Moses. 32 And the booty, the rest of the plunder that the people of the expedition had taken as plunder, amounted to six hundred and seventy-five thousand of the flock, … 35 As for human souls from the women who had not known the act of lying with a male, all the souls were thirty-two thousand… 40 And the human souls were sixteen thousand, and the tax on them for Jehovah was thirty-two souls. 41 Then Moses gave the tax as Jehovah’s contribution to El•e•a'zar the priest, just as Jehovah had commanded Moses.

  *** Rbi8 Judges 21:10-12 ***
  10 Hence the assembly proceeded to send twelve thousand of the most valiant men there and to command them, saying: “Go, and YOU must strike the inhabitants of Ja'besh-gil'e•ad with the edge of the sword, even the women and the little ones. 11 And this is the thing that YOU should do: Every male and every woman that has experienced lying with a male YOU should devote to destruction.” 12 However, they found out of the inhabitants of Ja'besh-gil'e•ad four hundred girls, virgins, that had not had intercourse with a man by lying with a male. So they brought them to the camp at Shi'loh, which is in the land of Ca'naan.

  *** Rbi8 Judges 19:22-30 ***
  22 While they were making their hearts feel good, look! the men of the city, mere good-for-nothing men, surrounded the house, shoving one another against the door; and they kept saying to the old man, the owner of the house: “Bring out the man that came into your house, that we may have intercourse with him.” 23 At that the owner of the house went on out to them and said to them: “No, my brothers, do not do anything wrong, please, since this man has come into my house. Do not commit this disgraceful folly. 24 Here are my virgin daughter and his concubine. Let me bring them out, please, and YOU rape them and do to them what is good in YOUR eyes.But to this man YOU must not do this disgraceful, foolish thing.”

  As you can see it wasn’t very easy to be a woman or a child in Biblical times. Only Jewish women had anything resembling rights. Non-Jewish women and children were as we can see fair game. Notice that Jehovah and Moses was only interested in the “little ones” that had not been engaging is sex, i.e. children that had not had sexual intercourse. The little girls that weren’t virgins were to be slaughtered. As the Bible show us sex with children was quite clearly considered normal. Why else should they need to check which one of the "little ones" who was virgins? Of course the Jewish men could enjoy these little girls as sex slaves for themselves as well as use them for other slave work. And people wonder why the Watchtower Society is full of pedophiles? I mean those who consider this the “word of God” and long back for the days when they could stone people outside the city gates and molest any child they fancied?

  *w52 11/15 703 - **We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, As being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.

  *w60 2/1 80 - 17 There may be rare instances where a child is so hardened in its stubbornness that even the rod of correction cannot drive it out. In the days of Israel parents were instructed by Jehovah to take such a rebel to the city fathers and they, in turn, took the incorrigible one out and stoned him to death. There were no juvenile delinquents under such a system.(Deut. 21:18-21) So also today, the New World society of Jehovah's witnesses can not and will not tolerate juvenile delinquency to exist in its midst. So, to avoid a possible death-dealing blow by being disfellowshiped from the congregation,

  What a wonderful time it was! No “no juvenile delinquents”, and although you couldn’t “desire” a fellow Jews wife, all non-Jewish females was available, and Jewish men could kill a little girl’s family, preferably in front of her, then ascertain her virginity and take her home, neat, eh? Really up building and wholesome material.
  People who actually consider this the “word of God” will find good excuses for every evil deed under the sun in the Bible.

  If mankind hadn’t progressed but still insisted that such treatment of people that didn’t belong to the same tribe, faith etc was not only acceptable but a command from God, we would still be doing this to each other. In fact some places people are still doing it.

  People who read this and actually believe that God ordered these things will of course be more than willing to abuse children given half a chance. Why grapple with grown women when you can have sex with kids? Of course “Jehovah” doesn’t really have anything against it, because he actually ordered it done, back in the good old days,
  will be such people’s rationale.

  You see, the Watchtower Society isn’t really the problem, the problem started long before anyone had ever heard about them. The attitudes toward fellow human beings that is instilled in “believers” who accept Biblical “moral values” like the ones above is the real problem.

  Norm.
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  Will they ever learn?

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  incredible as it may seem the february 1.

  2000, issue of the watchtower actually yet again quote the old prune, the talk from cedar point in 1922, advertise, advertise, advertise.

  of course not one word about what they were actually advertising back then.

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  Norm

  Incredible as it may seem the February 1. 2000, issue of the Watchtower actually yet again quote the old prune, the talk from Cedar Point in 1922, “Advertise, advertise, advertise”. Of course not one word about what they were actually advertising back then. The whole article is about “Jehovah not being late”, based on Habakkuk 2: 3:

  For [the] vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late.

  These articles get lamer and more far fetched every day as they jump and skip around in the Bible to spin together their wild fantasies. On page 15 it is claimed that, like Habakkuk Jehovah's servants today “know” that “Jehovah will not be late”. Do you know any Jehovah's Witness who “know” this? If there is one thing anyone half familiar with the Bible and the Watchtower Society should have learned by now it that they don’t KNOW anything.

  According to the Bible the apostles was expecting this much advertised end to come in their lifetime. According to the book of Revelation, it was to occur SOON. In case someone have missed it we are now well into a year with the number 2000 on it, and what was supposed to happen SOON have yet to materialize. The Watchtower Society has been ranting on about the imminence of the same thing for over 100 years without much to show for them but a lot of failure, and yet the Watchtower claim that they KNOW it “will not be late”. Dear oh dear, talk about meaningless drivel.

  On page 23 under one of the hilariously idiotic Watchtower illustrations § 17 assures the reader for the umpteenth time that they can be SURE that Habakkuk’s words will SOON be fulfilled! Yeah right. Just as sure as in: 1874, 1914, 1918, 1919, 1920, 1925, 1975 etc.

  When will these idiots learn?

  Norm.
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  A TRUE BELIEVER

  by Norm in

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  what happens if someone actually takes the bible serious?

  really acts upon its message?

  history have provided us with many examples of this and the watchtower societies second president personally had one particularly spectacular go at it.. the watchtower society second president j. f. rutherford was in a hurry to get the new system going while he was still alive.

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  What happens if someone actually takes the Bible serious? Really acts upon it’s message? History have provided us with many examples of this and the Watchtower Societies second President personally had one particularly spectacular go at it.

  The Watchtower Society second President J. F. Rutherford was in a hurry to get the “new system” going while he was still alive. He had several attempt’s at it. 1918, 1919, 1920 and 1925. After that he had an understandable aversion of presenting any more concrete dates but he concentrated on just babbling on how incredibly close the end was.

  “During the few remaining months until the breaking of that universal cataclysm the powers that rule the nations of the earth will continue to make treaties and tell the people that by such means they will keep the world peace and bring about prosperity.” Universal War Near, 1935, page. 27.

  As we know the Bible and particularly Paul was pretty hysteric about the imminence of Jesus return, and how urgent the “times” was. Paul thought that marriage and such matters was very immature because people didn’t have the time to indulge in such “worldly” matters now that the new system was at hand. As we know Paul was a gullible idiot and nothing of what he babbled about ever happened. But in “True Believer” style one complete failure do not deter another complete idiot. Rutherford health was deteriorating and he wanted the “end” to come before he died so he became very impatient. All idiots like to drag as many people as usual with them in their idiocy, if they can convince more people to buy the crap it somehow make their lunacy seem less loony. Rutherford was quite fortunate in that department, because he had a comparatively large number of extremely gullible people in his cult already so he had little trouble in selling his latest fantasy. Everybody had to participate in his weird world.

  Anyway, Rutherford had a last insane stab at it and wrote the book “Children”. In this book he took Paul dead serious and admonished the R&F not to get married and those poor dopes who were already married shouldn’t have children. He wrote:

  “Should men and women, both of whom are Jonadabs or "other sheep" of the Lord, now marry before Armageddon and bring forth children? They may choose to do so, but the admonition or advice of the Scriptures appears to be against it.” Children 1941, page. 311.

  With Armageddon a “few months away” the true believers wouldn’t risk such an added inconvenience as children. Children was written as a dialog between two Jehovah's Witnesses John and Eunice. John want her to set a date for the marriage, but Eunice being a complete idiot of course had to check with the “scriptures” first. I mean a book written by obviously superstitious people several thousands of years ago should always be consulted before marriage, right?. Before going to the bathroom, buying a car and crossing the street you should always consult the “scriptures”. Particularly Paul and his fantasies about an imminent end which obviously never happened back then either. But in the Book Children we get to follow the insane reasoning first hand:

  “That would seem to mean that those who would have infants during Armageddon would suffer much greater woe because of their care of the same. it is a great responsibility to rear children and care for them now, and it would be far greater difficulty to care for them during the time of the great tribulation upon the earth.” Children 1941, page. 312, 313.

  John, is also catching on to the idiocy and says:
  
  

  “Armageddon is surely near, and during that time the Lord will clean off the earth everything that offends and is disagreeable. Then, by His grace, we shall begin our life with a greater vision and prolonged joy. Now we see by faith the great THEOCRACY, and we are wholly and unreservedly committed to that righteous government. From now on we shall have our heart devotion fixed on THE THEOCRACY, knowing that soon we shall journey for ever together in the earth. Our hope is that within a few years our marriage may be consummated and, by the Lord's grace, we shall have sweet children that will be an honor to the Lord. We can well defer our marriage until lasting peace comes to the earth. Now we must add nothing to our burdens, but be free and equipped to serve the Lord. When THE THEOCRACY is in full sway it will not be burdensome to have a family . . . We shall not see each other very often for a time, but we can have like thoughts every day of the glorious prospect that is set before us. Children 1941, pp. 366-367.

  Here we get a good look at how tragic and insane things get when someone actually take the Bible serious. In Paul’s days they scurried around waiting for the end to occur any day, very “soon”. An end which of course never happened in Paul’s lifetime. Do “Believers” learn anything from this? Of course they don’t. Here Rutherford got it into his head that now finally was the time for what didn’t happen in Paul’s days. Based on what? His own fantasy and wishful thinking of course. After all wasn’t it going to happen “soon”? So then it was yet again time for more madness in following Paul’s insane “counsel”.

  Like Paul, Rutherford died and as usual the much hyped Armageddon didn’t materialize. After Rutherford died the Watchtower Society continued this completely idiotic not marrying policy until Knorr and some other big shots suddenly got married, then the whole embarrassing incident was slowly forgotten.

  A pity they didn’t continued to follow Paul’s advice of not getting married and having children, that would have lead to a healthily dwindling number of Jehovah's Witnesses. I for one think that all “true” Christians should follow Paul’s advice, that would make the world a much better place.

  But I am afraid that in the end of this millennium there will still be some “believers” ranting on about Armageddon coming “soon”.

  Norm.
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  America Bashing

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  with all of the america bashing going on of late, i thought i'd mention the fact that america stands for freedom, as flawed as our system may be.

  you're even free to be critical of the government and it's leaders.

  the many men and women who have died defending this country did so to preserve the rights even of people who hate the u.s. there are many different cultures here, so there are many different attempts at creating laws for the land.

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  Norm

  Hi folks,

  Just wanted to say I am not proud of being a Norwegian, I am not proud of being white, I am not even proud of being a human being.
  I had absolutely no influence over any of this, no choice.

  What the hell is there to be proud of in sheer coincidence?

  Sheesh!

  Norm.
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  Do you choose sides, or do you choose truth?

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  for example, ask someone to give their opinion on a political issue, and often you will hear, "well, i'm a (political party), so i think..." that's not thinking about the issue, it's choosing sides.

  to be fair, one hopes that much thought went into the decision to choose that side in the first place, but it's still not the point.

  no side can contain all truth and no falsehood.

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  Norm

  Hello Godrules;

  You said:

  It is Jehovah vs. Satan.

  In a battle between Jehovah and Satan. I am with Jehovah.
  In a battle between Jehovah and WTS. I am with Jehovah.
  In a battle between Jehovah and apostates. I am with Jehovah.
  In a battle between Jehovah and my personal tastes. I am with Jehovah.
  In a battle between Jehovah and inmorality. I am with Jehovah.
  In a battle between Jehovah and humans. I am with Jehovah.

  I guess you are on Jehovah's side in his battle against babies too?

  *** Rbi8 Psalms 137:9 9 Happy will he be that grabs ahold and does dash to pieces Your children against the crag.
  Of David.

  Norm