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  Is God your best Friend?

  by TooBad TooSad in

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  this statement.

  started me thinking.

  i love god and pray to him but i am not sure that he should be considered.

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  Hey Crumpet and fullofdoubt,
  
  Well, what can I say? Great minds think alike??
  
  :-)
  
  Norm
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  Drinking (booze) among "Gods" people......More then ever now?

  by new boy in

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  looking back its amazing how many alcoholics i knew in the "borg"...................... there are 3 elders in my old hall alone........ that are full blown alcoholics...................... when, have you ever heard of someone.......anyone.......let alone and elder............ getting "dfed" for drinking too much?.

  when i was at bethel........you wouldn't believe how much drinking was done there!.

  there are stories of the old days ( russell & the judge)..where they would find guys passed out in front of the 124 building on sunday mornings........no big deal, just dust them off.............. and bring in.

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  "Da Judge" old Booze Rutherford was a macho guy who thought only sissies didn't drink.
  If anyone is familiar with the Olin Moyle case they will know how much ridicule
  that was heaped upon Moyle for being a "tea totaller". Since Da Judge still cast a long
  shadow into the Bethel today it is no wonder his booze legacy lives on.
  
  Another factor might be totalitarian nature of life as a JW. It is certainly a dreary
  and sad existence void of much fun and exitment. So alcohol helps a lot as a means of getting away
  from it all for a little while.
  
  During the Soviet era people living there also used alcohol as an escape from their hopeless lives.
  It is claimed that at any given time 60% of the Soviet population was flat drunk or getting there.
  
  So there are many reasons for JW's to endulge in the "juice of the grape" and whatever they
  prefer.
  
  Norm
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  Is God your best Friend?

  by TooBad TooSad in

  1. jw
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  this statement.

  started me thinking.

  i love god and pray to him but i am not sure that he should be considered.

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  As an adult I don't have imaginary friends
  It isn't healthy.
  
  Norm
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  Norway

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in norway, the ombudsman of children s welfare intervened and a lot of fuss were made when it was made clear that jws endorsed corporal punishment in their publications even though it was banned by law.

  it was even mentioned in the national news.

  the coordinator was even interviewed on tv and the day after it was proven from the wt indexes that he had been lying.... i remember it was very embarrassing.

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  Yes I was involved. But it's quite a long story. You can call me at 22 29 03 56 i you wnat to hear it. Norm
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  Norway

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in norway, the ombudsman of children s welfare intervened and a lot of fuss were made when it was made clear that jws endorsed corporal punishment in their publications even though it was banned by law.

  it was even mentioned in the national news.

  the coordinator was even interviewed on tv and the day after it was proven from the wt indexes that he had been lying.... i remember it was very embarrassing.

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  It is many pages and in Norwegian. If you would like to have copies just send a message to my account here and we can arrange for you have the material. If you want to call me the numer is: 22 29 03 56 Norm
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  Norway

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
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  in norway, the ombudsman of children s welfare intervened and a lot of fuss were made when it was made clear that jws endorsed corporal punishment in their publications even though it was banned by law.

  it was even mentioned in the national news.

  the coordinator was even interviewed on tv and the day after it was proven from the wt indexes that he had been lying.... i remember it was very embarrassing.

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  I remeber there was a lot of spanking of children in my cong in those days. We could all hear the crying and screaming from the "rest" area. Poor kids was bored out of their skulls as was the adults by the hopeless tripe that was "served" at these meetings.

  Year in and year out with the same mind numbing hogwash and hopeless twaddle, Regurgitated self deafeting constradictory tosh.
  It is a miracle one stayed sane.

  On a different note I remember with great joy is some years later when the Watchtower magazine was about to finally kill the 1914 generation. We got hold of what was coming thanks to our contacts in the US and got the news of the changed doctrine in the largest Norwegian braodsheet Aftenposten. That had Brooklyn and the Norwegian Branch office really frustrated. Here was a "change" they were planning to smuggle in under the radar of the rank and file idiots, but that was impossible when the Aftemposten just explained what a momentous flip flop it really was. I know for a fact that Rolf Furuli was fuming at the editors office the next day and he arranged for i campaign of unsubscription of the Aftenposten among Witnesses in Oslo. That was really funny.

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  Norway

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in norway, the ombudsman of children s welfare intervened and a lot of fuss were made when it was made clear that jws endorsed corporal punishment in their publications even though it was banned by law.

  it was even mentioned in the national news.

  the coordinator was even interviewed on tv and the day after it was proven from the wt indexes that he had been lying.... i remember it was very embarrassing.

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  I know the story quite well. This happened in 1989, the year after I said farewell to the Watchtower Society. We were a little group of ex-Jehovah's Witnesses which took it upon us to inform the authorities about Jehovah's Witnesses and among them we drew to the attention of the children’s “Ombudsmann” at the time Trond Viggo Torgersen that Jehovah's Witnesses and their literature was violating Norwegian law. We also informed other authorities about other shadowy sides of the Watchtower Society. The child ombudsman was very interested and he quickly understood the whole matter due to the extremely well documented material we provided him with. After I and others appeared on national radio in a daily news show called “Here and Now” and talked about this illegal practice among the witnesses it was finally picked up by television in a program called “Antenna 10”
  This set the Watchtower Society branch office completely in uproar and they went ape shit. I have in my possession the entire complaint they filed to the NRK, the national broadcasting company in Norway, quite funny and interesting and as usual full of weasel worded sentences and lies.

  In those days the Watchtower branch office was lead by a committee and their spokesman was a certain Thor Samuelsen, a thoroughly slimy specimen of a revolting nature. The Watchtower Society was dumb enough to send him to the “Antenna 10” show where he came across exactly as the liar he is. He of course lied through his teeth when asked if Jehovah's Witnesses did beat or spanked their children. And this had a strange effect really as all the Jehovah's Witnesses watching also knew very well he lied, in fact his lies really upset many of them. This was about mid week and on the national news the following weekend he was actually called a liar as we had provided the TV journalists with even more solid documentation from the Watchtower magazine with a nice little drawing of a man spanking a child, with a rather incriminating caption. It is rather rare that anyone is actually called a liar on national TV but the Watchtower spokesman managed to do it. He was never ever used in that capacity again. He has much the same problem as the current US President as he is unable to stop smirking or leering when he is talking about serious matters.

  I still have the press release from the Ombudsmann and also a letter from the Norwegian branch office to all the congregations and a letter written to the Norwegian national TV corporation, where they try to do damage control. Nothing however helped and they suffered an enormous loss of face. Yup, thanks for the trip down memory lane.

  Norm
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  Living Alone - Love it or Loathe it?

  by Crumpet in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well i have been living alone now for a week for the first time in about 6 years and apart from one or two minor episodes i am really really enjoying the freedom of it.

  i feel like a weight has been lifted.

  i feel free again - a tiny bit lonely at night - but mostly i think i've recaptured that long lost spring in my step.

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  Well, Crumpet, it's a forest in the outskirts of Oslo. Only 20 minutes from downtown. I have pictures if you are interested.
  I think it is very considerate of you not to discriminate against age in you flirting. You do deserve a lot of credit for that.
  Anyway age isn't what it used to be. As Mae West used to say, When I am good I am good, when I'm bad I'm better.

  Winketywink.

  Norm
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  Living Alone - Love it or Loathe it?

  by Crumpet in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well i have been living alone now for a week for the first time in about 6 years and apart from one or two minor episodes i am really really enjoying the freedom of it.

  i feel like a weight has been lifted.

  i feel free again - a tiny bit lonely at night - but mostly i think i've recaptured that long lost spring in my step.

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  I enjoy living alone here in the forest but I wouldn't mind it one bit if you dropped in for a visit Crumpet.

  Norm
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  Is Atheism/Evolutionism Dangerous? Questions for Unbelievers

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does the belief that there is no all-loving diety in which to be accountable to make it easier or harder to treat and judge others they way that you want to be treated and judged?.

  since evolution supposes that life and ultimately man who is at the top of the chain got here through a process of the fittest dominating and killing off the weaker, and since most modern evolutionists in democracies no longer think that this is good to practice, how do you deal with the fact that you are a living contradiction of your own belief since you pronounce the same thing both good and bad?

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  When I read the opening of this thread I immediately felt a headache coming on. It is really sad when you realize that people are too fucking dumb even to begin debating with them. It is exceedingly tiresom to discuss with people who haven't even been able to grasp the basics of what they are trying to discuss.

  I am really sorry for being this caustic, but life is to short for this crap.