it's biggest problems are associated with its lack of genuine love and concern for the rank& file.
the average person doesn't need a food critic to tell them their hamburger is shit, in the same manner the average person can discern kindness and love.
gbs fake love and concern is evident in the way head office deals with victims of sexual abuse by jw clergy.
Also everyone, I'd like to add the YouTube videos of Marcus Vaughn (a.k.a. Wallkill Bethelite). What he endured and experienced while at Bethel is really astounding, showing what the GB really thinks about Jdubs in general, including those who give all of their energy and time to the BORG:
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1m7mZVd5mU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5_pYc_b9yk
it's biggest problems are associated with its lack of genuine love and concern for the rank& file.
the average person doesn't need a food critic to tell them their hamburger is shit, in the same manner the average person can discern kindness and love.
gbs fake love and concern is evident in the way head office deals with victims of sexual abuse by jw clergy.
Very true and very sad. Even if a Jdub misses one (1) meeting--no matter what the circumstances are (i.e., family situations, secular employment, someone's death/passing, extreme fatigue, etc.)--some of the R&F, especially those with "privileges" will shun/ostracize he or she who had to skip a meeting.
This happened to me back in the day 30 years ago. I, with a couple of other sisters from another congregation, bumped into a Bethelite couple from the congregation I was associated at the time, at a well-known department store during a weekend. After I greeted them and was about to introduce them to my friends, they both showed a look of horror and ran from us (like a scene from a "Casper, The Friendly Ghost" cartoon!). The next week while out in field service I mentioned the above incident to a pioneer brother. He mentioned that this couple "believes in speaking only to the friends who never miss meetings, since they are there at 99.5% of the meetings!". I couldn't believe what I was hearing; they couldn't even wave at me--because I missed one (1) meeting!
john cedars latest youtube video refers to last weekend's wt study article which some have referred to on another thread but i am truly outraged at the continuing misogynist attitude toward women.
not only did that study article say if women have a family to care for it will stop them gossiping or meddling into other people's affairs, lloyd shares on his video a talk by sam herd from when he was a c.o in 1971.
(i hope he has since changed his opinion!
@Phoebe=> I like that you posted this John Cedar's most recent video. Excellent choice of topic on your part!
I can't believe that the BORG would state that single sisters, due to the fact that they are not married and bearing children would classify them as "gossipers and busybodies". A great number of people (male and female, young and old, regardless of race, financial status, geographical location--plus longevity in the BORG) gossip and talk about other people and their lifestyles (be it public or private). To categorize women as such is definitely misogynistic/sexist!
Also, the concern in the video is how these comments--though personal on the part of the GB, their Helpers and the Writing Committee--would affect the brothers' thoughts towards the sisters in the BORG. This may motivate ones with emotionally and mentally problems to have disrespect for sisters--on a verbal and, hopefully not, physically level. Even married brothers may feel that they can treat the single sisters in any way they so do feel (No true/Christ-like love here!).
If there is going to be an expose of in any shape/form/fashion about the BORG, I feel that this subject should included alongside the blood ban, child abuse, shunning, etc.
a pimo friend (physically in mentally out) has just informed me that the cult has decided that they want to suppress all old jw org information by removing bound volumes etc from kh libraries.. in reality, all through their history they have claimed divine "new light" as a means of changing uncomfortable doctrines.
this however would mean that new jws, or more likely these days young jws, will be prevented from seeing the old light which had been held up as divinely inspired truth in the past.. truth which would get you through big a and which if you didn't agree with would get you disfellowshipped.. anyone else heard of this?
what might be the reasons (if true) for removing the old wts?.
Hey, everyone, the GB don't want a lot of the new R&F to find out the real information about 1975--that they said about the Big A coming during that particular year; instead when it did not happen, the R&F at that time was blamed! They don't want people to think that they are liars. They really ain't fooling nobody!
earlier today i was listening to a you tube video about brain plasticity, how our minds aren't hardwired, and that by changing the way we think it can make actual physical changes in the brain.
which is cool for many reasons.
one in particular for me and likely any ex jw is that the way the wts has programmed us, especially those born in, can eventually get past it.
@longgone: I wonder if you are referring to Daniel Amen, MD and his wife, Tana Amen, BSN, RN. They recently conducted a forum program on WLIW21 (a Long Island, New York PBS station) speaking about the human brain and its function, particularly what humans can do to get their gray matter to work healthily.
However, there is one portion of the program which Nurse Amen pointed out, which is of great interest--and I found to be no doubt true re: JWs=> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-7tySYyytE
What Jdubs are doing for the BORG has affected and is still affecting their brain activity. I'm pretty certain that the healing process starts when one wakes up to TTATT. From that point onward, a person can engage in having a more broader outlook concerning various topics, situations, etc. and do whatever he/she can to have a happier, healthier life.
i've had the misfortune to encounter quite a few mummies boys in the cult.
men aged 20-40 who although in men's bodies think,act and behave like children.
their mother's had them tied to the apron strings tightly.
@purrpurr: Thanks for posting this thread. Your description is fully correct about these brothers.
@LongHairGirl: You are right on point!
My ex-fiance (as posted in one of my past threads) now acts and speaks that way, especially and particularly since he has been in full association with his uncle and the Bethelite brother (I heard he is now either at Warwick or Wallkill, since Brooklyn is no longer in operation) whom were instrumental in our breakup. My ex, not only acts strange to me and some of my family members when we once met up with him and one of his siblings, but also he was laughed at by strangers when he spoke briefly in passing.
Jdubs are indoctrinated, taught and trained to "act like children". So, some have not matured emotionally or even mentally to conduct themselves as adults. Heck, a young brother age 26 in a my family's friend's congregation was seen physically running after and tag-playing with 3 children and 2 preteens like a school-age child--in my family friend's Hall's parking lot on a Sunday afternoon! Go figure!
many of the women and men have not achieved the life title or status plus goals she/he/they may have tried to achieve or embark on.
for example: (a) some women are only spiritual sisters.
they may have worked on to become a wife, mother, mother-in-law, grandmother, etc.
Thank you scratchme1010.
That is why a good amount of ex-JWs and those fading are making concerted efforts to make personal changes and live their lives to the fullest (i.e, travelling, hobbies, college/universities, etc.). In fact, one of my sister's friends--who is inactive and fading--has encouraged my sister, my close cousin and myself to start dating (this young woman's husband, also inactive, has set up a future event to have us meet some young men!). So, Jdubs who want to reach these life title/goals better wake up and live LIFE!
many of the women and men have not achieved the life title or status plus goals she/he/they may have tried to achieve or embark on.
for example: (a) some women are only spiritual sisters.
they may have worked on to become a wife, mother, mother-in-law, grandmother, etc.
Many of the women and men have not achieved the life title or status plus goals she/he/they may have tried to achieve or embark on.
For example: (A) Some women are only spiritual sisters. They may have worked on to become a wife, mother, mother-in-law, grandmother, etc. Due to the BORG's "do more" mandates, some have been oh so busy in putting the organization first as pioneers (auxiliary, regular, etc.--these type of titles) a great deal that time passes by to the point whereas they reach a "certain"age (BORG-wise: over 30 and beyond is tooooo old) and these women are not considered dating nor marrying age. Furthermore, the congs. want these women to be readily available for favors [a.k.a. sidekicks for certain domineering sisters and chauffers for ones in the cong that others (no doubt popular ones) won't lend a helpful hand in doing, etc.].
(B) Some men are only spiritual brothers. These may have worked on to become a husband, father, father-in-law, grandfather, etc., as well. Also, DITTO due to the BORG's "do more" mandates in their case, too. DITTO to their individual congs. wanting them to be readily available for favors. Also, especially ever since T. Morris' infamous talk harping on bros not to be considered marriage material if they are not MSs by age 23 (sooo ridunkulus)! DI
Suffice it to say, for some in the circumstances I stated above, their personal standing may change up, but it is still not right for this to be the case, if he or she really wants to become more than a spiritual brother or sister.
Outside of the BORG, men and women of all ages, race, backgrounds (financial, etc.) have experienced and are experiencing LIFE without any restrictions or unnatural mandates. I look at them [coworkers at my job, neighbors in my community, strangers in the street/places within in my travels (nationally and internationally), and including my family members/relatives who are non-Jdubs] who are living LIFE happily, naturally and normally.
And all because they are not in the BORG. . . . . .
gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???
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JWs are discouraged from participating in physical exercise ("bodily training") and are told that "godly devotion" is more beneficial for now and in for the future. This has resulted in quite a number of them getting ill and developing ailments, such as hypertension, diabetes, congestive heart failure, strokes and the like (the above has occurred to approximately 30 people from my past congregations within the previous 25-30 years, 20 of them now deceased as a result!).
No one should allow any man (or woman) to discourage he/she from taking good care of oneself--especially from the ones in "hierarchy" positions who are making personal decisions over members in the organization for selfish reasons and because they are in a quest for power!
how many others have noticed how common it is for active jws to ostracize and shun other active jws?
as far back as i can recall, jws have had an ongoing problem with cliques within congregations, and special needs talks would be given from time to time to address that trend.
but, it seems to me that the practice has become even more pronounced with entire congregations actively shunning other congregations.
I agree with all 3 of you! The way Jdubs act plus treat each other is worse than the non-dubs employed at various government/municipal departments and private corporations. A brother and/or sister could be doing his/her all--right straight to the letter and he/she would still be ostracized. Cliques are massive in this organization re: "privileges", race, marital status, financial status, original geographical location (a.k.a., place of birth), lookism (i.e., height, weight, hair color, eye color) and friggin' so on. What a big bunch of hypocrites; and myself and others, whom I 'm close to, notice that the above is getting worse and worse and not better!
