Tell me!!!!
Just how many times are the witnesses going to allow that "pale horse" of Revelation to ride???
I see a new book coming. "The Pale Horse has arrived! - Are you prepared?"
uck!
Sunpar (TuningFork)
http://slate.msn.com/id/2092287/ all about why the flu epidemic will be bad - -jws love this sort of doom and gloom stuff -- how long before a watching the world item appears in the magazines
Tell me!!!!
Just how many times are the witnesses going to allow that "pale horse" of Revelation to ride???
I see a new book coming. "The Pale Horse has arrived! - Are you prepared?"
uck!
Sunpar (TuningFork)
this post was motivated by these two excellent posts:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/61040/1.ashx
by mindchild, and
Deceit. Well, not exactly.....
As I no longer live in the area or even the state I was DF'd in, these ones still come to my door. I must say though, not as often now. Anyway, I know immediately who they are. It depends on my mood and how much time I have as to what I do. Usually, I allow them to go through with their presentation. And then when they start asking questions, I give them answers that they are not prepared to hear. You know, those answers that are not on their "quick-reference cheat sheet guide". This throws them off track and they have to answer for themselves instead of the "cults" given answers. One time I got into quite a conversation with them at the door. They seemed very pleased that I was willing to talk to them, of course. After we had been talking for about 10 minutes I said, "Well you know my house is a bit messy, but why don't you come in and we can discuss this further. --- But, first I must tell you that I'm a disfellowshipped JW."WOE! That changed everything! Have you ever noticed them turn green or purple? It is at that time they begin to make their exit. You can tell by the way they have backed away from the door as if you have disquised yourself as Satan himself. Now, I must say that all of this time I've been considerate to their beliefs, however, I have "seeded" them with other possibilities. This is the way I feel good about love and compassion. I feel good about being able to give them "something to think about". When they ask, and of course they do, if I would like an elder to come see me, I adamently say NO. And then it's all over. I've been written down again as an address of a disfellowshipee and I suppose from now on only "elders" should attempt knocking at my door.
So James, this is how I reach the witness. One conversation at a time. Oh, and I always try to give them some kind of compliment on their way "backing" down the sidewalk. At least always, with a big smile and sense of confidence , "Have a great day."
I might add here...... it took me years to get to this point. I used to get severe panic attacks after they left and would cry with anger for a long time - going back over what the beliefs of the religion did to myself and my family. Now, I feel good about myself and my choices.
Sunpar (TuningFork)
we have entered "new energy", so to speak - a paradigm shift.
shall we continue to "search" for the ever-eluding transcendent state of being (beyond mind) or become "still" (beyond transcendence)?
taittiriya upanishad.
Thank you IronGland. I loved your post as well. It's a keeper. Please continue to post such wisdom.
Sunpar (TuningFork)
we have entered "new energy", so to speak - a paradigm shift.
shall we continue to "search" for the ever-eluding transcendent state of being (beyond mind) or become "still" (beyond transcendence)?
taittiriya upanishad.
Thank you James. In your brief comment, I see that you understand what has been presented.
Sunpar (TuningFork)
to believe is to set boundaries for yourself.
in setting boundaries, you have set yourself up to a finite destination, a linear destination.
to break through those boundaries, you have become "vertical", you have become universal in your beliefs where there are no boundaries, therefore i am infinite.
I believe in "nothing". I believe in "everything". To believe is to set boundaries for yourself. In setting boundaries, you have set yourself up to a finite destination, a linear destination. To break through those boundaries, you have become "vertical", you have become Universal in your beliefs where there are no boundaries, therefore I am Infinite.
To remove all the masks of self is very hard, for it is the destruction of self. But, in this process of destroying self, you have found out that you have always been First Source. There is no separation, but the masks that you wear.
People refuse to come out of the age of suffering......
It is time to take Jesus the Christ down off the cross, to begin again living in the divine energy of which the cross represents.
Suffering is "borrowed abuse". We do not need to relive christ's suffering over and over again. Let it go. Then truly rejoice.
We do not have to 'sacrifice' a thing in order to love ourselves. That's 'bull' that has been past down through generations. It's a pure lie. It is not pure love and pure compassion. It is a 'stick' waiting to hit us, if we (through our own created rules for guilt) get out of line. You and only you are responsible for yourself. Please, don't hit yourself. Please don't abuse yourself. Remove this abuse now.
Realize that you are God and take responsibility for your creations, and then you will see why I feel that "God" would not suffer. I choose not to suffer. I am God also.
I stand, I do not kneel. Standing is not disrespectful. Standing is honoring that you have become what First Source taught you to become, Self-sufficient.
Allow yourself to be whatever you want to be. It really doesn't matter to me. That is not my job. It doesn't pay enough.
Sunpar (TuningFork)
Copywrite 12_6_03
we have entered "new energy", so to speak - a paradigm shift.
shall we continue to "search" for the ever-eluding transcendent state of being (beyond mind) or become "still" (beyond transcendence)?
taittiriya upanishad.
We have entered "new energy", so to speak - a paradigm shift. Shall we continue to "search" for the ever-eluding transcendent state of being (beyond mind) or become "still" (beyond transcendence)? Consider this:
Taittiriya Upanishad
One who knows thus leaves this seeming world behind,
withdraws into this self that's made from food,
withdraws into this self that's formed of living energy,
withdraws into this self that just consists of mind,
withdraws into this self that only is discerning consciousness,
and withdraws into this self that's nothing else but happiness.
from the advatin -------
This state of stillness and silence/knowing - the knowledge of being the valley and allowing the water (spirit) to flow to us naturally from the mountain (whatever form it may take) is transcendence (beyond mind). To stop searching, to allow stillness, is what I see this Taittiriya Upanishad saying. We no longer have to look or search for these things (learn, yes). Being "still" is more appropriate than saying there will just be an ongoing process of transcendence.
"Be still to the left (logical), be still to the right (creative) and in the middle you will find the secret. The secret of "silence - nothing" (beyond transcendence)....... Quote by Sunpar
Sunpar (TuningFork)
where do i start?
it's difficult to bring up all of the negative start in life, however, i believe that without my upbringing i would not have known where to search for the truth later on in life - within.
the jw is all i knew from the age of 6. when i left at 19 in the year of 1973, i was disfellowshipped for sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
carmel,
Yes, that is my reference. But, it's so much more than that. It's really the "consciousness of all" is within. We only need to tap into that well of wisdom from "the Kingdom of God," which is really the entity of all of us.
Oh, and yes, giving up "wacky tobaccy" has made a real difference in my life. Now I know that I'm the way I am naturally, even when I'm "wacky!" haha
TuningFork
Edited by - TuningFork on 2 January 2003 11:5:11
where do i start?
it's difficult to bring up all of the negative start in life, however, i believe that without my upbringing i would not have known where to search for the truth later on in life - within.
the jw is all i knew from the age of 6. when i left at 19 in the year of 1973, i was disfellowshipped for sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
Hi yumbby and thank you for your welcome.
Yes, SheilaM, I will put the baggage behind me for the hugs. But, I know that if I don't learn from the baggage, I will never be able to release it.
Francois, I use the chakra points when using the tuning forks. Different chakra points resonate with the different frequencies of the planets. Sometimes, when the planetary forks are being used together at these spots, harmonics are formed that trigger memories within our bodies. It is all so very interesting and I'm still learning. As far as being stuck on this side of the mountain, I see what you are saying. Why is it that we resist the Divine Spark, the Divine "inner voice" within us? Perhaps between us, we can figure out a way to stop resisting and slingshot together! What do you say, let's give it a try. If you try to figure me out, I'll be willing to work with clearing that veil for you.
Sentinel, sometimes the saying is "fake it till you make it." I have come a long way. I'm not saying I'm a fake, I'm just saying that I've had to really make some odd changes in thinking to get me to where I am today. I'm looking forward to having the friends in here share with me their experiences.
Come one - come all - we've reached the top of the roller coaster ride, now let's raise our hands, let go of our judgements and freely glide into our futures! Let's allow our inner child to kick our butts for once and get us to come out and play!
TuningFork
where do i start?
it's difficult to bring up all of the negative start in life, however, i believe that without my upbringing i would not have known where to search for the truth later on in life - within.
the jw is all i knew from the age of 6. when i left at 19 in the year of 1973, i was disfellowshipped for sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
Dana,
Thank you. Normal, yeah, normal.
where do i start?
it's difficult to bring up all of the negative start in life, however, i believe that without my upbringing i would not have known where to search for the truth later on in life - within.
the jw is all i knew from the age of 6. when i left at 19 in the year of 1973, i was disfellowshipped for sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
Thank you Nina,
I want to release myself from this baggage. With tears in my eyes, and possibly from the information and understanding in here, I just might get past what is really blocking my internal true happiness. I might find the reasons behind why I am still so self-destructive and self-sabatoging of my happiness. We truly are in a transitional time in our history and things of the past are coming to the forefront again. Baggage that has healed over but scars left behind. Now, the scars are to the forefront to be looked at again and finally replaced with the newness that we are. Oh, how I ramble.....
Love BE YOU,
TuningFork