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  Are the Disassociated shunned?

  by NotBlind in

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  2. beliefs

  on a whim, i recently visited the jw media site and found this question in their beliefs faq at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm:do you shun former members?those who simply leave the faith are not shunned.

  if, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkenness, stealing, or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers.

  every effort is made to help wrongdoers.

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  NotBlind

  I think Elsewhere hit the nail on the head...

  The ole WTS is "couching" its words very carefully, trying to give the impression that their no-shun policy applies to the disassociated, when they're really talking about the inactive...
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  Are the Disassociated shunned?

  by NotBlind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a whim, i recently visited the jw media site and found this question in their beliefs faq at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm:do you shun former members?those who simply leave the faith are not shunned.

  if, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkenness, stealing, or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers.

  every effort is made to help wrongdoers.

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  NotBlind

  Maybe I'm the only person here who thinks the WTS is trying to deceive the public . . . ? ?

  We all know JW's shun the disassociated. The point is: they're using their spin doctors to try to convince the public that they don't....

  Am I the only one who sees the WT deception here?
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  Useless Drama Pictures

  by Matty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do any of you good people of jw.com remember going to a district convention and hearing that little announcement the chairman would make before the bible-drama started?.

  it generally went like this: "please remain seated during the drama and please do not obstruct other peoples view if using recording equipment such as camcorders" and he would also say "please do not use flash photography because it distracts others and is of little use.".

  they made such a fuss anyone would think we were all going to witness the second coming of christ, floating down on his chariot onto the field!

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  NotBlind

  Hmmmm, might this be the 1994 drama?
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  Are the Disassociated shunned?

  by NotBlind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a whim, i recently visited the jw media site and found this question in their beliefs faq at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm:do you shun former members?those who simply leave the faith are not shunned.

  if, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkenness, stealing, or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers.

  every effort is made to help wrongdoers.

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  NotBlind

  The reason I bring this topic up is that the wording on the JW media website was changed recently. It used to say

  Those who simply cease to be involved are not shunned.

  Now it says

  Those who simply leave the faith are not shunned.

  Why was it changed? If I didn't know any better, I would say that the former refers to the inactive, the "fade-aways" and the latter refers to the inactive and the da'ed, too. I know it's just a few words, but they seem to convey a different tone.
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  Are the Disassociated shunned?

  by NotBlind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a whim, i recently visited the jw media site and found this question in their beliefs faq at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm:do you shun former members?those who simply leave the faith are not shunned.

  if, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkenness, stealing, or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers.

  every effort is made to help wrongdoers.

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  NotBlind

  Leaving the faith means becoming inactive.

  I believe that "leaving the faith" is the same as "leaving Jehovah's Witnesses". If this is the case, then I would say that becoming inactive is merely one way (of only 2 options I can think of) of leaving Jehovah's Witnesses. Another option to leave Jehovah's Witnesses is to disassociate oneself. It's an option that has been discussed many times on this board.

  It's really a matter of semantics, but I honestly believe that becoming inactive is not the only way to 'leave the faith' of JW's.

  DAing yourself is disfellowshipping yourself

  The final result is the same, you get the cold shoulder. The means is not, though. When someone is DA'ed, no JC meets, no 'sin' is required. I disagree with, but understand, the WT reasons of DF'ing and treating them the way they do. What basis do they have for treating DA'ed ones the same way? I see no Bible support whatsoever...
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  Are the Disassociated shunned?

  by NotBlind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a whim, i recently visited the jw media site and found this question in their beliefs faq at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm:do you shun former members?those who simply leave the faith are not shunned.

  if, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkenness, stealing, or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers.

  every effort is made to help wrongdoers.

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  NotBlind

  On a whim, I recently visited the JW Media site and found this question in their Beliefs FAQ at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm:

  Do you shun former members?

  Those who simply leave the faith are not shunned. If, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkenness, stealing, or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers. Every effort is made to help wrongdoers. But if they are unrepentant, the congregation needs to be protected from their influence. The Bible clearly directs: "Remove the wicked man from among yourselves." (1 Corinthians 5:13) What of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still Jehovah's Witnesses? The spiritual ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings can continue. As for disfellowshipped relatives not living in the same household, Jehovah's Witnesses apply the Bible's counsel: "Quit mixing with them." (1 Corinthians 5:11) Disfellowshipped individuals may continue to attend religious services and, if they wish, they may receive spiritual counsel from the elders with a view to their being restored. They are always welcome to return to the faith if they reject the improper course of conduct for which they were disfellowshipped.

  My problem is with the first sentence. "Those who simply leave the faith are not shunned." Is this true? I think most elders would agree that those who "leave the faith" include disassociated ones.

  I noticed that there was a BIG demarcation in this paragraph between those who leave on their own and those who are thrown out (df'ed). Basically, this site states that those who leave on their own are not shunned; those who are df'ed are shunned. Although still corrupt, it makes a little bit of sense, even though it requires some twisting...

  The August King-dumb Misery insert now says that

  the principles . . . apply equally to those who are disfellowshipped and to those who are disassociated.

  How can this be reconciled with what's on their website (not to mention the Bible), even using the WTS brand of double-talk? Or does the WTS need to update their site to say: "There's no honorable way to leave the WT. If you go, you're toast!" ??

  Is the webmaster in the dark? Was he left out of the latest edition of "new light"? Is there dissention in the ranks? Or am I missing something?
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  Prescribed walking times @ Conventions?

  by nativenyr23 in

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  i just read this off another thread that was on the jwzone.... "at my dc, i sit in my seat for the entire teaching program.

  i sing, i take notes, i enjoy it, i feel moved, encouraged, blessed.

  i dutifully walk only at prescribed walking times.".

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  NotBlind

  Uh, I think they're referring to the noontime intermission...
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  Channel One--please help

  by VeniceIT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok starting about 10 years ago channel one was and is a newstation that is for jr, high and high school students.

  i remmeber watching the gulf war on it, bosnia and a lot of differnt events.

  it was a 15 min news program that we watched everyday.. lisa ling was on it before she left to join 'the view'.

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  NotBlind

  Channel One - In my opinion, it's too commercialized and somewhat annoying, but it does get some of the news out to high school kids, and it's definitely real! It lasts about 12 minutes and is shown every morning in most high schools.

  Side point - Channel One was the way many schools got a TV in every classroom. When the schools promised to show Channel One on a daily basis in the early or mid-90's, they got a TV for every room. Not a bad deal!
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  Why do Jws use id badges at assemblys?

  by haujobbz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have wondered why jws wear" id badges" at assemblys and not on the preaching work or at the hall,i know of someone who was stopped by an attendant because he wasnt wearing a badge.is it something to do with showing off our religious belief to outsiders, i must be honest i use to take mine off when leaving the assemblys but i noticed many wearing theres even when going home on the bus or walking home "i knew of 1 who wore his to bed", mormons wear id cards on their preaching work so do you think jws should.maybe due to the paedophile scandal jws may have to wear id badges especially paedophiles.

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  NotBlind

  I've always taken offense to the JW's command to wear their ID badge at all times while in the convention city, at the hotel, and when eating out. Every other convention I've ever attended (non-JW) has ALWAYS recommended to take your badge ID off when leaving the convention center. Crooks see your badge and know you're an out-of-towner, leaving you more susceptible to robbery or attack. If the WTS really cared about their slaves, they would think more about their SAFETY and not so much being a walking advertisement for their ASSembly.
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  What do Americans actually really know about???

  by invisible in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what do americans in general actually really know about the big outside world outside of their own culture?.

  it's certainly not just me, but for years since early childhood in fact, it has been commonly accepted by many, that americans in general are the biggest ignorant fools residing almost anywhere on the planet, yet they still do their damndest to have everyone believe what a great nation they are.

  is it even beyond their comprehension how foolish they look often to the rest of the world, the fact that they have so little understanding of problems on the worldwide front?.

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  NotBlind

  Invisible said:

  it has been commonly accepted by many, that blah blah blah blah blah

  Haven't I read this line in the Watchtower magazine? I think Invisible is on the Writing Committee!!

  It has also been commonly accepted by many that the earth is flat and the moon is made of green cheese. Just because "many" people accept something does not make it true...