Posts by WireRider

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Is Religion Dying Out? - AWAKE! NOVEMBER 2015

by GrownMidget in

"have you given up on organized religion?

in many countries the number of people who describe themselves as not religious is growinga trend that suggests an uncertain future for institutional religion.

some of those lands are shown here.

Catholic madly in love with a JW (cont'd)

by Luge62 in

jw
friends

those of you who read my last post, about two weeks ago, know i'm in a dilemma.

i did not run like some posts suggested.

i truly believe i found my soulmate.

Freedom of religion STOPS when unwilling people are terrorized. I don't think "Stay or I will break you away from your family forever" "get out there and make more money for us as an emotional terrorized slave" "fill out time sheets so we can run your sales efforts".

I hate to be vulgar - but the Watchtower is a FUCKING PIMP to make money by threatening people. At all the #@$@#% don't even get paid.

If all those who want out just left - it would be the death nail to the Watchtower.

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Catholic madly in love with a JW (cont'd)

by Luge62 in

jw
friends

those of you who read my last post, about two weeks ago, know i'm in a dilemma.

i did not run like some posts suggested.

i truly believe i found my soulmate.

WireRider

On one hand, you could try to pry her away from the cult. But my case she really doesn't believe that much. She is far to worried about not seeing her family and friends ever again.

I have heard so many people on here that don't believe but stay so their family isn't ripped apart by a controlling cult. Isn't that really sick?

Unfortunately in staying, not believing, they are supporting the claims of active members. It's like staying friends with someone you know is a repeat rapist. It boosts his ego and brags that he is so popular for having so many friends - all these people must trust him - and he's out raping so many more without fear of getting caught.

How many on here would walk out the door and never go back if the WT was forced to stop shunning and threatening to break up families? A million or more?

Someone should really come up with legal cases for intimation, cowertion, extortion, blackmailing, racketeering? How many broken families would be willing to testify?

They arrest people every day that threaten to break your legs if you don't give them your money - or peddle their products. How is emotional threats and emotional terrorism any different? How many emotional intimidated slaves have built there real state empire? With NO FREE WILL.

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What's Your Scenario For The Watchtower Corporation's Business Future? Will They Survive Much Longer In This Information Age?

by frankiespeakin in

the internet a marvel of modern science, mass communication, information at your finger tips is transforming peoples lives.

but alas the whole thing took the governing body by surprise as they continued to pin their hopes on childishly magical and wishful thinking bible interpetations.. the train has left the station and the governing body are just now comming to terms with it(the internet), while they still demonize it for its freeing power, and plethora of information that doesn't fit with their narrow world view they must still navigate a path that includes or give some recognition to this information source now becomming availible to all all over the world.. how will the watchtower survive all this and still be directed by a bunch of delusional old and odd geezers is beyound me to comprehend.

what say you?.

WireRider

Can I make a JW/WT (facts only) brochure, and if I see a cart - stand next to it and hand them out? Mail some to everyone in my town - to inoculate them?

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Interesting News Article Re: JW Sexual Abuse in Delaware

by HomebytheSea in

here's a link to the usa today article.

let's hope the verdict sets a precedent in delaware.... @least it would be a start.. http://usat.ly/1ip4mxr.

WireRider

It's very hard to know where to draw a very fine line. The Catholic confessional is the epitome of expectation of privacy AND religion. Truly if you take that away, real bad people may never seek any help at all and keep molesting.

I'm still waiting to see the Spotlight movie. But when more that a few people in a Church KNOWS and legally fight against charges (the confessional has been broke) are guilty of a cover-up.

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Interesting News Article Re: JW Sexual Abuse in Delaware

by HomebytheSea in

here's a link to the usa today article.

let's hope the verdict sets a precedent in delaware.... @least it would be a start.. http://usat.ly/1ip4mxr.

WireRider

Someone should track all these news stories from everywhere in the world, and mail them repeatedly to the Warwick City Counsel, What would happen if people (tens, hundreds, thousands) sent letters to the Warwick City Council, and/or started picketing Warwick Council meetings or every city function?

Not particularly that they are harboring pedophiles, but the people behind the cover-ups that condone it. It's not Rome. Just a small community that will show up world-wide for all the wrong reasons.

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Critique of the lastest New World Translation?

by dontfitin in

hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.

i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?

one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.

WireRider

I'll have to look up the name, but about a year ago I watched a youtube video of a noted theologian, scholar, and translator. He very publicly threw down the gauntlet, and continuous letters, for 15 years to a public debate with the Watchtower translators that mangled the NWT for their obvious benefit.

The Watchtower has always refused citing "fear of the translators safety if their identities were known".

There were no actual translators.

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Myth Dispelled! Leaving the Organization is NOT Leaving God

by LeftMyReligionToFindGod in

it's true, leaving the organization does not mean you leave god.

as someone who was raised in the "truth" i always heard the messaging that if you leave the organization you leave god and lose his protection.

after disassociating myself, i even believed that and began on a path of self-destructive behaviour as i was leaving behind every relationship i had ever known and very ill equipped to live in the "real world" growing up, i always felt there was a higher power and our purpose was more than living a few decades.

WireRider

Well put from a first hand perspective.

The JW/WT are not a religion they are a CULT. They in fact have nothing to do with God. The cruel hate of the outside, shunning people who leave, say if you leave them you leave God is so wrong, hating, brainwashing, and manipulative. That is not God.

People should believe, or not believe, on their own terms. If you leave the cult - don't blame God. Blame those people for lying and manipulating. They have never spoke to God or on his behalf.

I'm 46. Growing up my church has never shunned anyone - ever ever. It is a very open and welcoming religion. NO ONE HAS ANY FEAR that they have to choose between freedom and family. That is F$%ING stupid - that has never been God. Come whenever you want. Don't come if you don't. Come share and compare notes if you wish to study. I'VE NEVER HAD A TIME SHEETS to prove anything. What does God need a time sheet for??? He knows. Why do you have to prove it to humans??? Never had time sheets to meet sales quotas for the WT - or are told it is the only way to make God happy. We never went door to door as slaves of the WT to shove beliefs on people who never asked for them. Uninvited guests SUCK and are a blight on society. We explore God and theology how we want - NOT dictated by any one (to control the herd) any told to read their repetitive repetitive retentive fake religion.. I've never heard of an Elder intervention/tribunal to kick people out because they force their human CULT rules. Frankly where to they get off claiming they speak for God? I think promising 12 dates for the, we promise we promise, the end of the world - God's has never taken their calls.

If a man makes claim to speak for me about things, and those claims turn out not to be true they are false prophets. False prophets will be killed. Why doesn't anyone get this? Russell promised promised, promised the end of the world would happen in 1914. It did not, oops, promise promise promise it will happen in 1915. Opps. Opps. God killed the false prophet in 1916. (I think God has a sense of humor - he waited for 1915 to come and go just to rub it in.)

The ONLY way JW/WT people can know God is to leave that CULT. Don't buy the snake oil. Don't drink the kool-aid. In fact you had better get out now - the end of the world is very very close and you don't want stand very close to, or admit that you even know or follow, the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses - God already has a place for false prophets (and those door to door preaching their lies to trick petty) in Revelations - they will be the first to be cast into the lake of fire.

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Critique of the lastest New World Translation?

by dontfitin in

hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.

i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?

one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.

WireRider

Ironically, Arius recanted every he that he claimed about "no Trinity" and begged to get back into the Catholic Church. He died just days before he was to rejoin the Church and confess false teaching. I guess Russell didn't read the last few chapters of the tale of Arius.

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Critique of the lastest New World Translation?

by dontfitin in

hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.

i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?

one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.

WireRider

The NWT is not a Bible. It stopped being once they just started changing any word/phrases they wanted to change the meanings. I have said it before. Arius. Arius was a rouge Catholic bishop that went far out there - to preach that Jesus was not God and there was no such thing as a Trinity. Factions of Christianity were getting out of hand. The Emperor Constantine ordered the Council of Nicaea (320 AD) to put and end to it and pick one. The Council was to pick and choose from all the gospels/books that became the New Testament. The every gospel/book, true or not, was chosen based on it's consistent support of the TRINITY.

Arius showed up and insisted his beliefs be included. They all kicked him out on his ass, banished him to the north, and ordered all of his writings and teachings to be burned. Arianism was a dead religion by 400 AD. ... Until Russell came along 14 centuries later and thought Arius was cool.

So the entire time the JW/WT has been teaching from a Jewish and Catholic book - that they hate. They have been trying to change words arbitrarily to try and resurrect Arius. The other branches of the tree - Adventists are still doing the same formed from Arianism groups.

Which is why JW/WT people are too stupid to read the Bible on their own (Russell's word) without his help. Russel wrote encyclopedia sets of instruction guides to prevent people from learning the true Bible.

It was shown in the first couple of NWT editions that the secret councils "re-interpreting" the Bible had no one that could speak Hebrew, Latin, or Greek. They just changed words to fit their beliefs. Russell was in court a few times on fraud charges and under testimony showed he on new a few numbers in Latin, Hebrew, and Greek - he never passed the seventh grade (and was largely didn't want anyone else to either).

It is no surprise they are still trying to avenge Arius be altering the meanings in the Bible. So the NWT is no longer a Bible. The NWT is nothing but a propaganda tool to enforce their beliefs with fake proof, and scare the hell out of people about Jews and Catholics out there - even though they wrote the Bible and call them apostates - which were Arius's last words as the door hit him in the ass on they way out.

Just ranting, but the Catholics have huge crosses in their churches - the JW/WT should have huge doors hanging up to mark the end of Arius.