Posts by WireRider

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The GB know it's all lies and wants to dismantle the WTS ... then what?

by Simon in

so imagine the gb have a sudden attack of honesty and realize "crap, this whole thing is lies - we're not god's spokespeople at all !".

how do you dismantle a religion that has +8 million members in a responsible way?

you can't just publish a watchtower saying "we were wrong" because that would be irresponsible - you need to let people down gently, put people off gradually.

WireRider

You can't just publish a Watchtower saying "we were wrong" because that would be irresponsible

It would be more responsible than perpetuating a lie

During the centuries of organized religion that humans have had on Earth, has anything close to this ever happened? Not to my knowledge.

What centuries? The Watchtower is only a 100 year old infomercial scam. It is not a centuries old religion in the nature of 2000 Christians, or really in the nature of anything - I think Kraft Mac and Cheese has been around longer than the Watchtower. Russell, who never passed the 7th grade, wanted to debate the word "cross" with the religion of people that actually stood there and watched. And promptly used donation money to vacation on Egypt to claim the absolute end of the World based on his measurements of a Pyramid. After a long weekend of Dungeons and Dragons he promised promised promised scared people that the World would end in 1914. Russell, who never passed the 7th grade, openly preached that everyone, including over 2000 years of Christians, who WERE THERE, were TOO STUPID to understand the Bible without his help and his self self-written set of 7th grader set of encyclopedia manifests. I can't believe people were so stupid to buy "BUY" into his bullshit.

I in no way believe there have ever been 8 million Watchtower zombies. It is a marketing scam. They claim 200,000 followers in some obscure country - who would ever know. They pocket the money and fake numbers. They claim 100s of thousands of people that they already "disfellowshiped" and destroyed their families. They claim infants they they claim to have baptized without consent. I think it is more that there HAVE been 8 million total who every joined - most of which have died off.

Where is the money everyone gives them? Follow the money. Where is it. Prove they are world wide - more than just for show. They don't get involved and help ANY of the communities they infest - tax free. Termites are less offensive in terms of being annoying and financially draining of communities and tax lie squatters.

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Revealing Watchtower tax returns

by Nambo in

please excuse if this has already been posted:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysyqish-l_e.

under the freedom of information act, this guy has tax returns showing where your money goes, where it is invested, companies like northrop gruman, monsanto, cigarette and porn peddlers, and we thought we where giving money to god!

i am quite sickened to discover i was giving money to the watchtower to invest in arms manufacturers..

WireRider

Huh.

For a religion that is only known for it's insistence on Armageddon false prophecy - any day now, any day now, any day now - they sure spend a lot of time and effort bilking people out of money to invest in real estate, stocks, bonds - all forward reaching investment. We say that the world is going to end - but we are making very long term invests that profit us.

Huh?

Why do people give their money to these very proven false prophets? Their "wrath of God" scam should have been over 50 years ago. !914 - world didn't end as as absolutely "scare the hell out of people" promised. "Opps I made a miss measurement at the PYRAMID it will end in 1915".

Rutherford, a completely failed politician, who was NEVER a judge - Preached insanely that the World is going to end tomorrow. Thousands of crazy people sold their houses, donated the money to Rutherford, and lived/preached out of their cars to be more mobile to save peoples "souls" because the World is going to end tomorrow. It was around the Great Depression. Rutherford took the life savings from thousands of people an built himself a mansion in California for $20 Million dollars of your money. A long term investment for a World that he preached will end tomorrow. The WT, and their nothing but a tax shelter JW, have never been more than an infomercial scam to con gullible people out of their money.

And where do the donations go? They make absolutely no effort to help any of the communities the infest. They expect tax free public services (fire/police/hospital) and give nothing in return to the community other than to piss people off by having stupid people go bang on doors for free. Where does the money go??? Tax free real estate investments, tax free purchase, tax free. The greatest fake infomercial of modern times - invented by a 7th grader - high jacked by a fraud.

You have to know that they pay millions to accountants and financial planners to hide the money. I don't believe that any one on this site has the ability to interpret the crumbs they leave. And any stuff they do leak, is carefully planned. They may spend 10% for show - to pretend to help the world. 20% in lawyers, financial planners, and 70% in "investments and profit" for an "tomorrow the world will end - I promise" cult. Make no mistake - they have millions of dollars of your money to cover their ass.

Dis-information is their powerful tool to control you. Mis-direct your efforts and keep you preoccupied. Sitting on a billion dollars - they may be truly stupid and completely narcissistic - but they have enough of your money to hire experts. I know they have people specifically to monitor sites like this and more than one poster here is under the direction of the GB. You would be remiss to think otherwise - you only really know what they want you to know - Sun Tzu.

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Evolution a Fact - Agreed but So What?

by LAWHFol in

in many debates between believers and non believers (nb), the nb uses evolution as some sort of proof to support the non existence of god.. i agree that evolution is a fact, however i feel that evolution is proof of some sort of benevolent original cause.. if i were to create an a.i.

, i would program into it the ability to self-refactor and evolve.. i would also randomly inject viruses into the program (evil) where the a.i.

would be forced to stretch its current capabilities & modify it's operating functions in order to get through the random virus, and continue living.. with a steady flow of different viruses, the a.i.

WireRider

Ask evolutionists how in about 50,000 years humans seemingly evolved more than the previous 50,000,000 years of normal evolution.

Missing puzzle piece no one can explain.

I believe in both.

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Evolution a Fact - Agreed but So What?

by LAWHFol in

in many debates between believers and non believers (nb), the nb uses evolution as some sort of proof to support the non existence of god.. i agree that evolution is a fact, however i feel that evolution is proof of some sort of benevolent original cause.. if i were to create an a.i.

, i would program into it the ability to self-refactor and evolve.. i would also randomly inject viruses into the program (evil) where the a.i.

would be forced to stretch its current capabilities & modify it's operating functions in order to get through the random virus, and continue living.. with a steady flow of different viruses, the a.i.

WireRider

I believe in evolution. But. There is a very large unexplained gap in history. Man went from dragging knuckles to upright thinking people. Human knowledge snow balled at an unexplained pace. There was a pivotal point in human evolution that no one can explain. I think there was an intervention of some kind. People in 100BC described handed down stories for generations to the best of their understanding and vocabulary.

It still makes me wonder. Pictures of the solar system have been found in Sumerian ruins that accurately depict the solar system with relative sizes of the planet in correct order. The pictures/carvings were from 10,000 BC. We didn't discover Pluto until about 1950. They knew. Just recently there is growing proof of yet another planet in a very very wide orbit. History talks of of it as Neberu (or close). It was in the Sumerian pictures. How? They new.

I wouldn't necessarily take the Bible very literally. It was a time and place where most couldn't read or right. Stories were passed done by word of mouth for many generations. It's a little bit like listening to a preschooler describe the creation of the world and animals. But there may be some truth behind it.

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Why the Governing Body caught a frightful fright

by Saintbertholdt in

it has been extensively reported on the forum that there has been a marked increase in effort over the past two years by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses to encourage an increase in monetary donations.

this has also been accompanied by the stripping of financial capital from the local congregations.

as has also been reported on this forum, this has in all probability been done to facilitate the financing of the vast new hq building project as well as the financing of the shift from a publishing company to becoming an internet based charismatic multimedia company which produces lame pixar/disney animation knock offs while simultaneously parading the governing body's ever expanding waistlines, blingy accoutrements and stupid grins.. meanwhile the financials of the organization remains as murky as ever.

WireRider

JeffT,

I have only a couple of grad classes in accounting, but I whole fully cede to your accounting knowledge. Granted that fudging income and tax figures is very very wrong and a federal crime - would that stop them?

I think there are a lot of numbers out there. Many that will never be tracked. Would it benefit the WT, in propaganda, to fudge the numbers? Can they? Do they?

Would it help the image of the WT to falsely leak and post false profit gains even though they are not taxed. As an accountant, do you have the knowledge and the ability to scew numbers the way marketing wants you to? Be honest.

This is a company that does not make anything. People just give them money. It is 110% about brand name and public image. IF they were to drop sharply in money, and image, it's over. As a purely brand/image wouldn't they lie about their status to the public/congregations? Wouldn't fudge the numbers and shift a lot around? Wouldn't a millions a year company have teams of accountants (free volunteers) finding ways to move money an numbers beyond what you and I casually look at?

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Living as Christians at the C.L.A.M this week

by Truthexplorer in

this weeks meeting under the section - living as 'christians', starts off with 'repentance makes a difference', which is a talk given by an elder taken from w06 11/15 27-28 par 7-9. in a nut shell it discusses those who have been disfellowshipped and then show repentance.

it then goes on to discuss reinstatement and how a certain amount of time must pass by before this can take place.

it makes the following point in the paragraph.. 'a disfellowshipped person is not automatically accepted back into the congregation after a certain amount of time has passed.

WireRider

I am so confused. The Watchtower is NOT Christian. They think Jesus is just some angel. So how do they get to leap to Christian? They are at best Jewish. Make up their mind. Trinity/Christian - or GOD/Jewish. Pick one. Arius (Watchtower followers) was kicked out of the New Testament.

When and where did the Watchtower speak to GOD and were certified to speak for GOD? conform to Gods righteous requirements What? When? Where? What gives the Watchtower any right to be in judgement of anyone?

The very definition of Jesus --> Christ is an acknowledgement of the divinity of Christ. Sooo the Watchtower, like Arius, who was completely kicked out of the New Testament, should be forbidden from using Christ or Christian. To "act" like Jesus - they should call themselves "Jesus-ians". It makes no sense. "We are Christians - but we don't believe in Christ".

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Who really is assigned the Congregation Charity Tax return in the congregation?

by Quarterback in

i have this poor friend that has so much to do.as an account servant.

i recently noticed that he got additional work loaded on his back by the secretary who told him that it was his responsibility to fill this register charity form return.. i remember from long ago that this was a job that the secretary had to do, but can't find it in writing.

does anyone have anything in writting on it?.

WireRider

Huh. The mother ship sucks up all the money and everyone else has to file paperwork. Wouldn't you think with a hierarchical structure where they claim to own ALL property and run ALL meetings that they would handle the accounting paperwork? Are all KW independently certified as tax exempt? And maintain the filings?

I think there is something very suspicious with having every KH file their own tax paperwork about "charity" or "tax exempt" when the money get's sent to the Watchtower with absolutely no accountability. That makes every KH, tax volunteer, a complete lair if they claim charitable status. Violation of law. Every "Kingdom Hall" is in violation of tax fraud and tax evasion.

How do they claim "We sent $50,000 to the Watchtower without any idea of what it's used for"? How does that qualify anywhere as tax exempt?

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hee hee

by brandnew in

jw
friends

governing body members are usually people who have never held down, a real god honest job.

never payed taxes like most of us, and probably have never cooked their own meals.. im sorry.....im venting, but it burns my hyde....that they kicked so many old timers to the curb.....as they go live in luxury, in their lake-front condos in warwick.

its sick!!!.

WireRider

When does the part about claims of "we are Christian because we act like Christ" come in?

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hee hee

by brandnew in

jw
friends

governing body members are usually people who have never held down, a real god honest job.

never payed taxes like most of us, and probably have never cooked their own meals.. im sorry.....im venting, but it burns my hyde....that they kicked so many old timers to the curb.....as they go live in luxury, in their lake-front condos in warwick.

its sick!!!.

WireRider

That is a heck of a thing to say for all the money they have collected from unsuspecting hordes they have lied to and scared the shit out of with completely knowingly false prophecies of death and destruction and given so generously to the communities that they live in tax free (schools/fire/police/ambulance) and give so generously to their communities and the needy.

Oh wait ...

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How will the Watchtower Cult end?

by WireRider in

some announcement of sorts?.

there are all kinds of conspiracy theories.

their head count and time cards are all faked by the gb, and "congregations".

WireRider

Bogles the mind. 1/3 are "IN". 2/3 want "OUT" but can't find a way. What kind of religion is that for fear of punishment? All the while the WT brags about 200% are strong members.