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  Did Watchtower Really Teach That Armageddon Was Coming in 1954?

  by Jerome56 in

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  in the march 2025 jw broadcast david splane in his morning worship talk mentioned that "some thought" that armageddon would come 40 years after 1914. such statements are usually meant to shift the blame of their own false predictions on to their members for speculating.

  however, i was unable to find anything in print showing that such a thing was indeed taught by the society.

  was this really a thing?.

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  Jerome56

  Listener,

  Thanks so much for this research. I didn't remember that Ray Franz had something to say about this time period in their history.
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  Did Watchtower Really Teach That Armageddon Was Coming in 1954?

  by Jerome56 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the march 2025 jw broadcast david splane in his morning worship talk mentioned that "some thought" that armageddon would come 40 years after 1914. such statements are usually meant to shift the blame of their own false predictions on to their members for speculating.

  however, i was unable to find anything in print showing that such a thing was indeed taught by the society.

  was this really a thing?.

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  Jerome56

  I think that was the flying saucer cult wasn't it?

  Here is what Splane said:

  “In the late 40’s when the decision was made to expand world headquarters at 124 Columbia Heights a few of the brothers took a dim view. Why spend the time and the money so close to the end? Then in 1953 at the business meeting of the Watchtower society brother Knorr read a letter from a sister. Now just for context, this is 1953, and in those days as I well recall, some thought that Armageddon was going to come 40 years from 1914. We were doing a lot of counting back then. So this sister writes to brother Knorr and says why are we spending all this money on building projects when Armageddon could come in 1954? Well… if we had listened to her and others like her where would we be today? Still back at 124 Columbia Heights.”
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  Did Watchtower Really Teach That Armageddon Was Coming in 1954?

  by Jerome56 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the march 2025 jw broadcast david splane in his morning worship talk mentioned that "some thought" that armageddon would come 40 years after 1914. such statements are usually meant to shift the blame of their own false predictions on to their members for speculating.

  however, i was unable to find anything in print showing that such a thing was indeed taught by the society.

  was this really a thing?.

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  Jerome56

  In the March 2025 JW Broadcast David Splane in his morning worship talk mentioned that "some thought" that Armageddon would come 40 years after 1914. Such statements are usually meant to shift the blame of their own false predictions on to their members for speculating. However, I was unable to find anything in print showing that such a thing was indeed taught by the society. Was this really a thing?
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  JW Broadcasting - simply a platform for narcissists?

  by eyeslice in

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  one thing i notice from sitting through a number of broadcasts is just how much these guys love their titles.

  it's always brother such-and-such, member of the gb, helper to the teaching committee, etc.

  it's never simply brother such-and-such, a local elder with such-and-such congregation.. it seems to me the witnesses are pretty quick to pick up on catholics who call their priests father, which at the end of the day is in much the same vein simply a title.. i suspect these titles point to a huge amount of narcissism of the part of those who revel in such titles, certainly it doesn't seem to fall in line with christ's advocation that the greatest amongst you should be be the least.

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  Jerome56

  Regarding the picture in the April 2013 Watchtower, Jesus is nowhere to be found, although he should be the one depicted as seated on the throne. It is a HUGE Watchtower blunder!

  "Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. (Matthew 28:18)

  For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. (1 Corinthians 15:25)

  But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. (1 Corinthians 15:28)

  
  
  
  
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  2013 New World Translation

  by Jerome56 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on their website in the video "organizational accomplishments" watchtower devotes this segment to praising the superiority of the new world translation.

  about half way through, david splane relates the reason for a change in wording from the old 1984 nwt reference bible to the 2013 revised nwt.

  he said this was because of the recent discovery of an older manuscript that contained the greek word for overseer that was unavailable when the reference bible was being compiled.

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  Jerome56

  1 Peter 5:2

  KJB "Feed the flock of God which is among you, TAKING THE OVERSIGHT THEREOF, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind."

  NASB 1960 -1973 (7 editions) "Shepherd the flock of God among you, but not under compulsion, but voluntarily, ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness."

  NASB 1977 & 1995 editions - "Shepherd the flock of God among you, EXERCISING OVERSIGHT and not under compulsion, but voluntarily, ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD, and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness."

  RSV 1946, 1952, 1971 - “Tend the flock of God that is your charge [a], not by constraint but willingly, [b] not for shameful gain but eagerly” Footnote: Other ancient authorities add EXERCISING THE OVERSIGHT

  ESV (the revision of the RSV) 2001-2011 - "Shepherd the flock of God that is among you EXERCISING OVERSIGHT, not under compulsion, but willingly AS GOD WOULD HAVE YOU, not for shameful gain, but eagerly."
  

  New World Translation 1961 edition - "Shepherd the flock of God in your care, not under compulsion but willingly, neither for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly."

  New World Translation 2013 edition - "Shepherd the flock of God under your care, SERVING AS OVERSEERS, not under compulsion, but willingly BEFORE GOD; not for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly.”

  The phrase "taking the oversight thereof" (ἐπισκοποῦντες) is omitted by the NASB from 1960 to 1973, and the RSV because it is not in Sinaiticus original or Vaticanus, but the phrase is included in the NIV, RV, ASV, NRSV and the ESV because it is in the Majority, A, Sinaiticus correction and P72.

  Westcott and Hort as well as the older Nestles Critical text (4th edition 1934 and 21st edition 1975) omitted the phrase "TAKING THE OVERSIGHT THEREOF" (ἐπισκοποῦντες) but now the UBS/Nestle-Aland/Vatican text puts it back [in brackets], and the newer NASBs now include the reading along with the Holman, ESV and NIV.
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  2013 New World Translation

  by Jerome56 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on their website in the video "organizational accomplishments" watchtower devotes this segment to praising the superiority of the new world translation.

  about half way through, david splane relates the reason for a change in wording from the old 1984 nwt reference bible to the 2013 revised nwt.

  he said this was because of the recent discovery of an older manuscript that contained the greek word for overseer that was unavailable when the reference bible was being compiled.

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  Jerome56

  Splane used this as an opportunity to take a swipe at the Catholic Church when in reality they based their original decision on the judgement of Westcott and Hort. The King James Bible, based on the Textus Receptus, had it right in the first place. The discovery of Bodmer P 72 confirmed it.
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  2013 New World Translation

  by Jerome56 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on their website in the video "organizational accomplishments" watchtower devotes this segment to praising the superiority of the new world translation.

  about half way through, david splane relates the reason for a change in wording from the old 1984 nwt reference bible to the 2013 revised nwt.

  he said this was because of the recent discovery of an older manuscript that contained the greek word for overseer that was unavailable when the reference bible was being compiled.

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  Jerome56

  On their website in the video "Organizational Accomplishments" Watchtower devotes this segment to praising the superiority of the New World Translation. About half way through, David Splane relates the reason for a change in wording from the old 1984 NWT Reference Bible to the 2013 Revised NWT. He said this was because of the recent discovery of an older manuscript that contained the Greek word for overseer that was unavailable when the Reference Bible was being compiled. So they added it to the new silver sword. However, the King James Bible renders the verse correctly. The word does not appear in the Kingdom Interlinear so I can see why it was rendered that way. But it does occur in the Emphatic Diaglott which was produced about 100 years earlier and based on Vatican 1209. Does anyone know what Splane is talking about?
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  What Do You Think?

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you think the tower is getting money from the government for encouraging people to get vaccinated?

  or is there just too much lemon in my tea?.

  https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/07/27/biden-harris-admin-provides-121-million-in-arp-funding-to-local-communities-for-covid-19-vaccines.htmlbiden-harris administration provides $121 million in american rescue plan funds to support local community-based efforts to increase covid-19 vaccinations in underserved communities.

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  Does anyone know how mayor DiBlasio got his information in order to praise Watchtower?

  Transcript: Mayor de Blasio Holds Media Availability | City of New York (nyc.gov)
  
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  MANUAL!--2020-04 SFL.

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  2020-04-addendum letter.. https://docdro.id/n0hm6tg.

  2020-04 shepherd the flock of god elder manual.

  https://docdro.id/llechtz.

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  Jerome56

  Thanks Atlantis. You are amazing!
  
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  The name Jehovah in the New Testament

  by Jerome56 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  among the reasons the watchtower society gives in appendix c of the new world translation for inserting the name jehovah in the new testament is the following:.

  · " in greek, is the definite article missing from before kyʹri·os (lord), where it would normally be expected grammatically, thus indicating that a proper name may originally have appeared in the greek text?

  d. does anyone know if this is a valid argument?

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  Jerome56

  Doug,

  Thank you for this information.