hey all!.
so, we are all aware of the appalling wt study article from a few weeks back called "do you have the facts?".
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-august-2018/do-you-have-facts/.
Nice to hear they recognise the familiar attempts to control their patrons thinking, albeit from a different brand! Same ingredients tho...
I have fantasies of some Russian hacker, hacking the breaking news section or jw. (B)org and inserting actual relevant to jw news! Imagine the complaints to the authorities....! We were hacked and they were smearing our name with truth and facts... Sheesh sorry guys we'll see what we can do.. cue eye roll from the authorities
i’ll start it off.
boy did we get drunk last night.
Jesus christ that meeting was boring!
all through my life, now in my 40's, i've seen df people get completely shunned by family and friends, but an ex elder showed me the stfog book that says it's just spiritual contact that stops.
so what's the crack?
i'm mega confused, as i want to go p.o.m.o or ideally da but don't want to loose family..
If you are faded... You can expect mostly soft to hard core shunning. Depending on the type of conditional friends you have
when god created adam and eve and put them in the garden of eden it was then up to them to cultivate and take care of it ,god had no further hand in it .the responsibility rested with adam/eve and their offspring.. the same would be true in the paradise to come ,god gets rid of all of us wicked people ,but then it is up to j.w.~s who are left on this earth to restore such a paradise.?
without god`s intervention.. think of it , this system is gone with all its infrastructure.. 8 million + j.w.`s scattered throughout the earth with.
no communication systems operating .
Smidster... One of my former favourite subjects!
Before I left I often used to spark heavy debates with those realistic truths of how communities and industry works... How going back to "frontier living" is just a fantasy for those who haven't lived it or more truthfully.. Survived it!
Where do those out of season veges and exotic fruits, commodities come from if everyone is on holiday in paradise ? Ore being mined for iron, copper etc to make the materials needed for building? Who's gonna run the bath of molten tin needed 24/7 to float the newly fired glass out onto to make the panes needed for the floor to ceiling windows of the imaginary penthouse of every publisher...??
The regurgitated line of "we'll have all the time in the world" doesn't and won't work even in utopia.. The only way civilisation works and has advanced is without divine influence and is a slow moving morphosis of the good in humanity and the slow understanding of science.
when i was in, i couldn't understand why the subject of over eating or gluttony was almost never discussed, there was countless talks and articles about over drinking but over eating is lumped in as the same offence in the bible but was never discussed?
an elder who was serving in the islands told me he heard a talk given by a local in the cong there who professed that "in the new system we can eat as much as we want and not get fat".
so why was /is it not talked about?
When I was in, I couldn't understand why the subject of over eating or gluttony was almost never discussed, there was countless talks and articles about over drinking but over eating is lumped in as the same offence in the Bible but was never discussed?
An elder who was serving in the islands told me he heard a talk given by a local in the cong there who professed that "in the new system we can eat as much as we want and not get fat"
So why was /is it not talked about?
Any thoughts?
in this summer's convention theres a video showing the tale of a rather geeky plain looking brother whose relating the tale of how the prettiest girl in the whole school fancied him (!
) and sent him a love letter, the letter is read and it says .
"i think we would get along,i'm attracted to you, i like your personality, and that's not all, i think we could have fun together.
I think anyone who recognises generational grammar can see this is not a modern example, merely an acted out playwright from 1950s America. Cue Doc and the Delorian I think one of the GB wants to be Marty McFly.
does anyone else recall in the 80s/90s that when the minor/child blood issue was discussed the jw children were taught to say that being forced to have blood would be like rape?
and then had to be able to explain what rape is?
apparently there was a court case were the drs were trying to get a court order to force a blood transfusion on a jw child, and the child said it would be like rape to her and the judge asked her to explain what rape is to see if she understood what she was saying.. that went round my cong at least as a "fine witness " and all the parents were encouraged to have their kids practice the whole "explain rape" thing.. anyone else remember this?.
Wow @wakeme... I can only imagine as a parent the moment when yr child calls logic on some nonsense rule u have just laid down.. One would hope that that may have sent a few volts into a disused circuit of his brain...
You just can't make that sound any worse than it is, my jaw is on the floor
as a contractor i travel around for my job, i was stopped this morning to buy some milk at a store in a small village i guess and as i turned a corner i saw 2 elders i know personally manning a cart in the cold outside the store with not a soul in sight and an unlikely place for much traffic even though it was outside a country store.
1 elder is my brother in laws father and the other was in my old cong when i left, i said hello, talked about the weather and general chit chat and was my usual self, they were pleasant also but nothing was mentioned to me about anything spiritual etc.
i know they will be aware of some of my reasons for leaving (the few that i talked about initially before shutting my trap) but they were unwilling to engage in saving my life with their work!
as a contractor i travel around for my job, i was stopped this morning to buy some milk at a store in a small village i guess and as i turned a corner i saw 2 elders i know personally manning a cart in the cold outside the store with not a soul in sight and an unlikely place for much traffic even though it was outside a country store.
1 elder is my brother in laws father and the other was in my old cong when i left, i said hello, talked about the weather and general chit chat and was my usual self, they were pleasant also but nothing was mentioned to me about anything spiritual etc.
i know they will be aware of some of my reasons for leaving (the few that i talked about initially before shutting my trap) but they were unwilling to engage in saving my life with their work!
As a contractor I travel around for my job, I was stopped this morning to buy some milk at a store in a small village I guess and as I turned a corner I saw 2 elders I know personally manning a cart in the cold outside the store with not a soul in sight and an unlikely place for much traffic even though it was outside a country store.
1 elder is my brother in laws father and the other was in my old cong when I left, I said hello, talked about the weather and general chit chat and was my usual self, they were pleasant also but nothing was mentioned to me about anything spiritual etc. I know they will be aware of some of my reasons for leaving (the few that I talked about initially before shutting my trap) but they were unwilling to engage in saving my life with their work! Ha ha.
Apart from a pathetic excuse for witnessing, I thought it odd that these guys can be pleasant to an obvious org deserter but others I. E family and friends act as I'm pretty much dead.
So that's my experience given from this platform to all in attendance here.. Ha ha
If this forum had a truman show catch phrase like "good afternoon, good evening and good night "it would be
Peace out... Just saying! And let's review its a cult!
Happy Monday
a worldly friend of mine i grew up with at school has at the ripe old age of 40 just posted an honest question on his fb page.. .
"which religion or belief system is the truth?
" be respectful please .
A worldly friend of mine I grew up with at school has at the ripe old age of 40 just posted an honest question on his FB page..
"which religion or belief system is the truth?" be respectful please
Now this guy is a well liked educated person who has dabbled in politics and is at one with where his place is on this planet, he knows alot of people and therefore attracted ALOT of answers to his post..
I thought it was a fascinating look into the demographic of the people he knows from diverse backgrounds as to what they had to say... A census if u will
I was surprised!
There was about 5% preachy people talking about jesus but the majority about science being the only truth worth trusting as well as humanism, karma, being a good person and loving others!
1 comment from an active jw elder " where is the question coming from? As in why do u ask?" couldn't help but laugh a bit seeing a witnessing set up.
A few stand out comments I thought were.
"truth and religion do not belong in the same sentence"
"beware of any belief that promotes division between you and yr fellow human beings"
"My conscience is my belief system taught to me by my parents. I have no time for religion or any other belief. Trouble is most people might also follow this but not everyone is lucky enough to have good parents like mine"
Church of Fonzie - founded by Peter Griffin
"I tend to think the rational mind would lean towards weight of evidence as the best method of drawing the most probable conclusions, or highest likelihood of truth. ....which would all but disqualify religion as a source of truth of any kind imo."
So yes I was surprised by the logic of my generation,and the 2 that overlap it to the lesser and the greater, it makes me happy and positive to think that surely that type of thinking will eventually outgrow the mindset that we here once were burdened with.
