Normalfulla

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  Does the Watchtower have an official position on Alcoholics Anonymous?

  by JeffT in

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  i ask because i'm working in a 28 day residential addiction treatment center and one of my co-workers is studying with the jw's.

  he does not know i'm an xjw.

  i suspect that at some point they're going to tell him he can't go to aa meetings anymore.

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  I had a friend who was disfellowshipped twice for his alcoholism, he credits the aa for him getting sober and still attends weekly even tho he's back in the org, it's like a spin off religion to him, he even met Ozzy Osborne at one of the meetings! , so he's a super zealous jw who attends aa meetings with no problems between the two.... That's my 2 cents
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  Lloyd Evans' New Book - Is It Really Necessary?

  by pale.emperor in

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  so lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

  i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.

  but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.

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  Well if this isn't judging a book by its cover I don't know what is... I have read the reluctant Apostate and I personally thought it was great, sure some info in there I was already aware of but it was presented well and it was nicely woven into his personal story, as for the 2nd book I have pondered the thought "what's the point" but until it has been read a valid opinion cannot exist
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  Massive hints against alcohol

  by purrpurr in

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  in the most recent assembly there were several heavy hints about not drinking alcohol at all.

  saying that it doesn't give a good witness or would stumble others.. is this a new "unwritten directive?.

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  I've been privy to many an organised jw function at a bar etc, for the most part the bar is always happy, jws love their booze. I can attest to this personally knowing many many hard core boozers however I doubt whether this behaviour is at a greater concentration in the org than in general society
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  Jehovah's Witnesses child sexual abuse cover up gets broadcast across Canadian television.

  by Finkelstein in

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  2. scandals

  well the shit has finally hit the fan here in chanda for the jws.. an hour long investigative journalist program called w5 went deep into the jws's pedophilia cover up problems that have been on going for decades within the jws religion.. .

  i think its good thing for the public to realize how religions can and will coverup egregious acts which are serious crimes in most countries just to up hold a clean wholesome image around their organizations.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1zlhbk6ihm.

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  Wow, just watched the full version on YouTube, a powerful and moving look at what is verbatim on this forum.

  A question, I have relatives in Canada who I hope will at least know of this, how popular is this channel, I have no idea about Canadian tv
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  Michael and Allice Kramer. Dose anyone know about him.

  by joe134cd in

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  2. experiences

  i heard this information 3rd hand, so i'm just after confirmation.

  mike kramer, a little short guy.

  was a bethel heavy and a company man through and through.

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  A very charismatic man indeed , I have a catch phrase burned into my mind from a talk of his "DOESN'T BOTHER MY CONSCIENCE " it's in caps cos he repeated it so often and it was probably clipping the speakers it was that loud
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  suicide

  by zeb in

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  who among us has known a jw who has committed suicide.

  i believe this as a separate subject has not been covered..

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  So, sadly one of my former friends passed away last night.. only info I have is he died in his sleep ,he was early 40s elder and awesome person, he suffered from depression and also type 1 diabetes and since his passing I've have thought about something he said to me once that "it would be easy for him to not take his meds and go to sleep and not wake up " now it may not be suicide but sad nonetheless.

  A PO's son 18 ended his life after a minor run in with the law , another witness I knew drove his car off a cliff 2 years ago his last words to his wife were "see you in the new system "

  Our country has one of the worst rates of suicide, it needs to be talked about more
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  suicide

  by zeb in

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  who among us has known a jw who has committed suicide.

  i believe this as a separate subject has not been covered..

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  Younger Witnesses less fanatical or fundamental

  by optimisticskeptic in

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  2. beliefs

  i am a born in jw for over 30 years now and have been in various positions in the organization.

  now i'm guessing most of us recognize that older generations tend to be more fundamental and less reasonable when it comes to their outlook and beliefs.

  i find this to mirror the differences you see outside of the organization as well (older people less tolerant of other religions, newer technology, lgbt, etc.).

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  I'm around that age and almost all my former friends don't fall into that category, they are just as blind as the average jw and just as scared of anything negative about the org .
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  Marked

  by Normalfulla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok , my wife and i have faded for a year and a half , i won't bore u with all the details but my wife just got confirmation that her sister got a visit some time ago saying we are marked and my sister also got the same visit in which we were described as dangerous, now for my wife , she has not spoken 1 bad word to anyone about the org apart from me (she woke me up ) the elders came around while i wasn't home and bailed her up but she said she wasn't comfortable talking to them without me there ,so the result ?......

  let's do a round of all their friends and say shit about them because we can't df them but let's get them treated the same as if they were .... yeah yeah that's a good idea .... stupid mofos!

  out to just wreck the reputation of any defectors from the org .

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  OK , my wife and I have faded for a year and a half , I won't bore u with all the details but my wife just got confirmation that her sister got a visit some time ago saying we are marked and my sister also got the same visit in which we were described as dangerous, now for my wife , she has not spoken 1 bad word to anyone about the org apart from me (she woke me up ) the elders came around while I wasn't home and bailed her up but she said she wasn't comfortable talking to them without me there ,so the result ?.....

  Let's do a round of all their friends and say shit about them because we can't DF them but let's get them treated the same as if they were .... yeah yeah that's a good idea .... stupid mofos! out to just wreck the reputation of any defectors from the org
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  Good books

  by Freedom rocks in

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  2. friends

  can any one recommend any good books to read that have come out in the last few years?

  i haven't read a good book in a long time and i'd like to get into reading again.

  i'm not into autobiographies or sports books.

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  I am pilgrim ....

  Best book for me ever