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  Elders refused to help police investigation into the rape of a teenage girl

  by Gadget in

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  church leaders refused to co-operate with a police investigation into a sex attack by one of their congregation on a teenage girl.. jehovahs witness paul atkin has now been jailed for five years after he admitted sexual activity with a 15-year-old.. a court heard the south shields based branch of the church carried out their own investigation after the allegation came to light and atkin was booted out.. but when police came knocking, church officials refused to help what was then a rape allegation, on the grounds of confidentiality.. prosecutor deborah smith told newcastle crown court: it would appear there was some form of investigation by the church.. we know the defendant was disfellowshipped as a consequence of that investigation but there has been no disclosure of any minutes of meetings with the defendant and the elders have refused to provide statements to the police, despite the fact the defendant is no longer a member of their congregation, on the grounds of confidentiality.. atkin, of east moffat street, south shields, was initially accused of rape but the charge was dropped when he admitted sexual activity with a child.. the court heard his victim was 15-and-a-half when he had sex with her.. miss smith said: she did not wish to have sexual intercourse with him.. the crown accept, having discussed matters with her, the defendant may reasonably have believed that she did.. she did not fight back or shout out at the time of the incident.. the court heard the woman is still on anti-depressants and says her self confidence has been shattered by the ordeal.. in a statement read to the court, the victim, who is now an adult, said: this has had a major effect on me and i cannot trust men.. i bottled everything up and as a teenager i turned to drink and drugs.. i hope he gets sent to prison and gets what he deserves.. judge simon hickey jailed atkin for five years and said he must sign the sex offenders register for life and abide by the terms of a sexual offences prevention order for five years.. the judge told him: this has had a huge effect upon this young lady.. gavin doig, defending, said atkin has a good, supportive family and partner and said his family describe him as a hard working man with a job who will face devastating consequences if sent to jail.. he added that it was atkin himself who had brought the matter to the attention of police.. mr doig told the court: this defendant made a very bad mistake a number of years ago.

  he has not made any further mistakes.. he is extremely sorry he committed this offence knowing, as he did, the complainant was under age.. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/south-shields-jehovahs-witness-jailed-8567927.

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  'She did not fight back or shout out at the time of the incident.' 

  Well, there you have it. No struggle no rape. What, are we living in the thirteenth century? 
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  Musical video on JW-TV February monthly program - must see !!

  by Viva la Vida in

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  you must see the musical video at the end of this month program (aprox.

  at 1:04:30).... i don't like to use "must" but this is wow... if you think they couldn't get any lower... just be prepared...

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  3rdgen

  
  The wheels on the cart go round and round

         round and round

         round and round............

   I wish I were the cart that lives in Venice, Ca. I dig lookin' at those gnarly surfer dudes!
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  Translating and deciphering witness expressions.

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to start a thread with correct explanations of what witnesses really mean when they say stuff... please add to it!.

  "we missed you at the last meeting" = "where were you?

  why did you miss a meeting!?".

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  Letter from the CO read to the congregation: "I have appointed Bro. So and So  Elder/MS" =   Gotta problem? Sue the CO's ass. Hahaha he's broke! (scorched earth)  
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  Have JW relatives disinherited you? (especially Canadian)

  by berrygerry in

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  2. beliefs

  interesting court case whereby the entire will was declared void because the father was racist.. would that not also apply to jw's who disinherit their non-jw family?.

  http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/29/judge-rejects-ontario-mans-racist-will-that-disinherited-daughter-for-having-bastard-white-son/.

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  Under the radar, I'm all for preserving freedom including the right to include or exclude people and organizations in one's will. However, the pertinent issue is :

  Is the WTBT$ exerting strong encouragement for the members to leave some or all of their estates to them?

  Are they encouraging "alienation of affection" of  family members by their policies on shunning and labeling those who left or never were JWs?

  Do they hound the elderly who often are no longer "sound of mind" for  large donations which in turn depletes the estate? "

  My daughter and I lost a family fortune (about 10mil) because Mom gave it all to the WTBT$ while still alive. I have an Great Aunt who left a 1mill+a year oil well to WTBT$ and nothing to her children. Hubby has a childless aunt who has willed her entire estate of over 1mil to the WTBT$. That's just our family! 

  
  
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  To Blue Dot or Not to Blue Dot. That is the question ....

  by Oubliette in

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  so i've been noticing recently that some khs in the area where i live (socal) are putting up the jw.org little blue dot, but others are not.

  i would think this would be a mandatory directive from hq.

  does anyone here have any intel on the matter?.

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  "The cost of purchasing and installing signs featuring the logo should be met from local congregation funds."

  IOW Don't expect the WTBT$ to contribute a nickel for this swanky new branding.
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  exJW Psychology 103--Let's Reconsider "Confidentiality"

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  over the course of decades as a jw, an elder, a bethelite, then learning ttatt and wanting to leave, i'd collected a lot of insight into the power of "confidentiality.

  " although the confidentiality in a judicial hearing is supposedly to protect the sinner, in actuality, i saw that it was about control and was protecting the power of the jc.. i didn't use any of this knowledge until i was called before the boe because the other elders figured they had grounds to remove me as an elder.

  it was a work situation that only lasted a matter of hours, but it was enough that they seized the moment.

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  Billy, thanks for referring to this thread on another one. I had missed it. Hubby and I agree that  the confidentiality mandate is designed for the protection of the elders. Why else would they refuse to let the accused record JCs? They scatter like cockroaches when you shine a light on them.

   
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  Hello

  by Garrett in

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  2. friends

  hello forum,.

  i'm new here and not sure where to post.

  so, i'm 21 years old and currently a baptized witness, however, i'm slowly making my mind up to leave and here's why.. first, there are certain things that make no sense to me in the organization.

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  Welcome Garrett, 

  Since you are suffering from depression your first priority needs to be your health. Have you seen a doctor to rule out any physical problems that may be contributing to your depression? Medication may be in order as well- at least temporarily.  I suffer from SAD (seasonal affective disorder) which makes the short dark days of winter miserable. Read about the disorder and see if that my be a factor for you.

  Meetings and other JW activity makes depression worse. Stay away from that toxic environment!

  Finally, please, please don't make important decisions while in a depressed state. Rather than send a letter of resignation which can not be undone, take this time to learn and heal. Be sure to read the books Londo suggested.

   All the best to you 

  
  
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  How do Americans feel about Canadians and Britons interjecting their opinions onto hot localized political topics: gun laws, abortion, ect?

  by adjusted knowledge in

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  in addition to the above question, why do citizens of the two above mentioned countries, or other countries, feel the necessity to tell americans how they should interpret the american constitution for localized issues?.

  i fairly much have an idea what the general population in the usa feels in regards to the first question.

  this could be one of the possible reasons cnn piers morgan poor ratings and eventual firing.

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  An opinion is something that that can be taken or left so why the fuss?
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  Counting service time in a creative way

  by nevaagain in

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  2. friends

  couting time and, how to count time while doing as little service as possible is often a hot topic around witnesses.

  i even overheard pioneers discussing about it.

  they call it "creative time counting" (i translated that phrase from a different language so bear with me ;-).

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  One April when my kids were young I signed up to aux pio. The quota then was 60 hours. Half way through the month we had a LOT of rain and I needed at least 40 more hours. By this time I regretted signing up but felt I had to honor my commitment sooo....... I rented dozens of videos of Bible characters, Samson, Daniel, David etc, and made my kids watch them with me. Yes, I knew I was only supposed to count 4 hours with them but I reasoned that I had a greater chance of making disciples out of them than anyone else! Regrettably, I was right.  
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  good afternoon

  by mouthy in

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  good bye

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  3rdgen

  @myelaine Good one!

  Mouthy, what's new?