Posts by 3rdgen

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Armageddon in 1975 'probability' or 'possibility'? Irrefutable Proof the Watchtower Said 1975 Was "Game Over!"

by PhilsWager2 in

it's hard to know where to put this link to a polish book some of you older members probably read, while our newer members are seeking answers to questions the watchtower vehemently deny's!

do i put this under "jw scandals" or "jw beliefs"?

for decades without the internet many of us did not have access to all the publications written by early watchtower writers because access was hard, only men like raymond franz jr(god rest his brave soul) had the golden key for entering the library of all publications jws made.. can some of the older members remember people who sold their homes and others who bought things in the summer or fall of 1974 knowing they won't be paying for their purchases because jehovah will destroy all the creditors records when he kills them!

3rdgen

Fisherman, Are you saying you are at least 60 years old and made the decisions the Society suggested/demanded at the time and have NO regrets? If so, then so be it. My 96 yo mother has no regrets as well.

However, you imply that my family and I made the decisions and sacrifices we did for the Wrong reasons. How would you know what our reasons were? What were the wrong reasons? BTW, We didn't selfishly buy things we thought we would never have to pay for or run up credit card bills. We made decisions based on love of our creator, our fellow man, and what we thought God was directing us to do through his earthly organization. The organization was wrong and failed it's devotees. Whether they realize it or not doesn't change the facts.

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Getting married when you are spiritually out

by 1tMakesNoSence in

i met this amazing girl about 6years ago at my local congregation.

i was 100% in back then.

about 3years ago i woke up spiritually and kept it undercover till a few months ago.. this girl is still very in (but she doesnt really do the things a reaaal jw should do.

3rdgen

"Is there really no easy way to make things work?" In a word NO!

Would you stay in a relationship with someone who was sill in love with her previous boyfriend? Who would meet with him at least once a week? Who would take your kids to see him and teach them that he is a better father than you? That they should reject what you say if it conflicts with his ideas? Her religion will be the old boyfriend in your marriage and she will not likely ever stop seeing him.

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Armageddon in 1975 'probability' or 'possibility'? Irrefutable Proof the Watchtower Said 1975 Was "Game Over!"

by PhilsWager2 in

it's hard to know where to put this link to a polish book some of you older members probably read, while our newer members are seeking answers to questions the watchtower vehemently deny's!

do i put this under "jw scandals" or "jw beliefs"?

for decades without the internet many of us did not have access to all the publications written by early watchtower writers because access was hard, only men like raymond franz jr(god rest his brave soul) had the golden key for entering the library of all publications jws made.. can some of the older members remember people who sold their homes and others who bought things in the summer or fall of 1974 knowing they won't be paying for their purchases because jehovah will destroy all the creditors records when he kills them!

3rdgen

Fisherman, How did YOU react to those articles and talks from 1968-1975? Did YOU make decisions that negatively and permanently changed your life?

Did you quit school or graduate early?

Did you pioneer?

Did you get married in your teens?

Did you go to Bethel?

Did you postpone marriage or children?

Did you sell your house to go where the need was great?

Were you a missionary who contracted Malaria and were permanently disabled?

Were you drafted and sent to prison for refusing alternate service?

I was 16 in 1968 and remember the hype like it was yesterday. I did all the things on my list that apply to females in the Borg. My family members did the rest of those things, some are dead now. Do you really think we made these decisions on our OWN???? LOL

You know what I think? I think during the late '60/early 70's you were too young or not even born yet and are talking out your a**. Correct me if I am wrong.

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To My Generation: Jehovah's Witnesses of the Vietnam War Era

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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to my generation: jehovah's witnesses of the vietnam war era .

if you were a young brother in the late 60's you then remember the burden of the draft and the prospect of going to jail for refusing on religious grounds to be called up.

in those days we were taught that to do community service was conscientiously the same as joining the military and so we were told to refuse such exemptions.

3rdgen

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Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

by FusionTheism in

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i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.

i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.

also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.

3rdgen

FT asks, "What exactly is it that you WANT the Society to do?"

A fair enough question for a true believer (assuming he can reconcile being disobedient to the GB by being on this site)

First I want them to explain why the Holy Spirit (that according to them issues forth from Jehovah himself and has been directing the organization since the outset) has been either unwilling or unable to "get it right".

For instance, Types/antitypes. Why would the Holy Spirit direct the WBTS to state as fact their various interpretations both orally and in print to be studied and re studied, then reveal to them that those same interpretations were wrong and pretty much ditch the whole concept?

JW's teach that the Holy Spirit is NOT part of a Trinity or a personage but issues forth from Jehovah and to a lesser extent, Jesus and sometimes the angels. How could Holy Spirit issuing out of perfect Spirits be wrong? Repeatedly? Who or what Spirit (according to Bible and Watctower) is the father of the lie? What kind of spirit would intentionally Make Jehovah's Witnesses and by extension Jehovah look foolish by being wrong over and over again?

The other thing I want them to do is: Leave me alone.

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Brave high school student exposes abuse and corruption within Jehovahs witnesses

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls&feature=youtu.be.

3rdgen

Marked

I don't want to cry before I go out on errands.

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17 year old son is blaming me for ruining his life from the Cult. He's complaining "I could have been a high school sports star!"

by PhilsWager2 in

you know about my not-so-ugly divorce and how me and my wife found out the religion is false.

she still attends while my 17 year old has been raging on me about all the wasted time he suffered from by being in this religion.

he think's his life is ruined, very angry we did not learn this was a cult earlier(he was 14 when he stopped attending after reading the revelation book, he said "in all time and history, how could a trumpet blown in revelation have anything to do with a jw bible student convention statement"?.

3rdgen

I want to clarify that even though I think it's a good idea to apologize ONCE for the errors and omissions we made as JW parents, I DON'T mean grovel. I also explained that I would have given my eye teeth if either of my parents would have had the humility to tell me they were sorry for their serious mistakes. That being said......

Had my daughter not immediately accepted that I was motivated by love, had her best interests at heart, and was under B.I.T.E. control, I would have reminded her that she is NOW free to pursue the skills and talents she has, take responsibility for her life, and and drop the attitude.

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Who Is Your Favorite Late Show Talk Host Of All Time?

by minimus in

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johnny carson is still the king.

i thought jay leno was very funny.

letterman did nothing for me.

3rdgen

Carson was King with no close runners up buttttt.......

I got a real kick out of Chelsea Handler (the Chelsea Lately show) I miss her outrageous humor.

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17 year old son is blaming me for ruining his life from the Cult. He's complaining "I could have been a high school sports star!"

by PhilsWager2 in

you know about my not-so-ugly divorce and how me and my wife found out the religion is false.

she still attends while my 17 year old has been raging on me about all the wasted time he suffered from by being in this religion.

he think's his life is ruined, very angry we did not learn this was a cult earlier(he was 14 when he stopped attending after reading the revelation book, he said "in all time and history, how could a trumpet blown in revelation have anything to do with a jw bible student convention statement"?.

3rdgen

Phil, I know it's tempting to tell him to be glad he wasn't older when he learned TTATT and quitchourbellyackin', but 17 yo's don't respond well to that approach. Remember how you felt when your parents said things like, "You think you got it rough, let me tell you about when I was a kid......"

Like NewYork44, I apologized to my daughter for raising her in a cult. Then I specifically mentioned things and events I said "no" to that I should have allowed and that I feel terrible for depriving her of the joy they could have brought. I explained that my mindset was that I was trying to save her life. (like not letting her play in the street) Her reaction was "Mom, you were only doing what you thought was right." Please note though, she was 10 years older than your son at the time.

If you sincerely apologize, in time your son will forgive.

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Updated Chronological Timeline of the Great Tribulation -- after the New Light from July Watchtower

by FusionTheism in

the july 15, 2015 study watchtower article entitled "your deliverance is getting near", along with the jw broadcasting video entitled "gerrit losch: fortified by "the prophetic word," and chapter 21 of the god's kingdom rules!

book presented a large amount of new light or clarified understanding of the events of the great tribulation.. here i am presenting it in chronological order -- this is the governing body's updated chronological order of events for the time right before the great tribulation through armageddon:.

the final sealing of the anointed occurs just prior to the outbreak of the tribulation.

3rdgen

Vidiot, Glad you asked LOL

Watchtower has weeded out some of that possibility by having those with "bad desires" including "bad JWs" killed off at Armageddon. Those who are resurrected or born after the big A or anyone else who develop "bad desires" are taught the "ways of Jehovah" and are given time to change. Those who want to, then magically only have "good" desires. Those who don't are killed poof, no need to wait till the final test after the 1,000 years.

Where does it say this in the Bible? Glad you asked. It doesn't. This information is available in a more reliable source- the Watchtower. I read all of the above info there so it HAS to be right. Unless, of course, there is NU LITe.