Posts by TheUbermensch

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

Hope I didn't hurt your feelings too much N.drew. ahahaha

And those were my posts AK-Jeff.

1495

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

ahahahahahaha. Spare me the guilt trip, please N.drew.

Do you find facts insulting? That's what I was stating in those posts you love to take out of context. That post was a message to fellow non-believers.

Millions of people HAVE, DO, and WILL die because of religion, either through wars (my sky daddy is more powerful than yours) or some other horrid thing that dogmatic people would do to prove the existence of their God, or the power of their God. People ARE living in delusion, not only religious but psychologic. It's my point of view and contention when it comes to believers.

And I'm sorry, anywhere in the posts from last week did I make a personal statement towards you N.drew? Like this one?

"And you, uber, so many words for nanananan, I'm right and your wrong. Stupid stupid. Sigh."

HA. YOU are the one that made it personal. I was just posting arguments, got frustrated and posted about my frustrations. So touchy about the fact that your god has allowed millions of wrongful, pointless deaths?

Your arguments are silly and unthoughtful. You post more offensive things than anyone else through this entire thread, and then claim to be sooooo insulted by someone talking about death by religion (i.e. the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Witch Hunts, etc.) that ACTUALLY happens.

You are quite hilarious.

1495

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

N.Drew, (again I'm not sure who you were replying to, or what your statement is even concerning) but if you WERE replying to by calling me a hypocrite of some sort you'll notice that in all of my other posts (which were about 3 or 4 days ago) I don't facetiously engage in any name-calling or mockery, however, after the multitude of condescension from the religious right on this thread I just simply decided to give you guys a taste of your own medicine.

Again, you'd think my post would sort of compel others to return to the discussion that was originally happening, but you're still rambling on in all your glory and condescension. It's truly just disappointing.

1495

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

Wow, a lot has happened since I stopped posting here.

I find it funny that people are warned (a non believer no less) about rules concerning insulting posts when I've read about 20 posts from N.Drew, and Tec (especially N.Drew) and yet NO ONE warns them. Telling someone to shut up N.Drew? Honestly? What are we in 3rd grade again? Infantile, immature remarks are uneccessary and distract from the topic at hand.

The last 5 pages(and yes I've read every single post) are just full of that small switch in a Christian's mind that turns on the defense mechanism of condescending, deceitful statements.

I'm not going to write a short novel (i.e. AGuest) but obviously we aren't getting anywhere. N.Drew has begun to take hallucinogens, Tec, constantly repeats everything (he, or she? dunno) says. AGuest writes way to much, breaks every single post down that way (he or she? again... dunno) can use it out of context for her/his interests. It's honestly just laughable. I have YET to find ONE single argument to the contrary of what AK-Jeff and all other non believers including me have stated. We have logical, plauslible, and valid arguments, and on the other side (Tec, N.Drew, etc.) there is just hobble gobble and hickerydoo (just decided to explain in it in the format of N.Drew). But in all seriousness, it's truly disappointing.

I'd also like to commend AK Jeff, sizemik, OnTheWayOut, and especially Qcmbr for surivivng the onslaught of absolutely facetious comments from the opposing angle, and for formulating logical, tremendously worded arguments that have yet to be answered. It's just sort of a bummer.

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The Beatles - Your Favorite Songs or Albums from Them ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

folks !

thought i'd start another music thread up to see what your favorite picks are !

one of my all time favorite groups .

TheUbermensch

The Hard Day's Night album is one of the catchiest pop albums of all time, and the movie isn't bad either.

Favorite Songs

If I Fell

Tell Me Why

Can't Buy Me Love

I don't really dig late Beatles.

1495

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

I keep hearing how atheists or non believers have a different "view" and that the actual, logical facts that they provide are just "viewpoints".

I can say the sky is blue. That is a fact accepted by the general population, however, if someone says that the sky is green, that doesn't stray from the truth, and that is that the sky is blue. Just because someone refuses scientifically, logically proven truth and believes their "viewpoint" that doesn't mean that you can drag down the fact to your level and call it a "viewpoint".

The sad thing is that the reason all of these arguments exist is because of religion. What would motivate atheists or non believers to argue with believers? It's simple, for me at least it's because I'd rather live in a society of human beings who can face reality (and thus make better more important decisions, and also not have their mind focused on a delusional religion) rather than in a society where these people are a minority as we do now. Why do believers argue? To defend their God from the constant onslaught of logical proofs, scientific evidence and ancient fossils and artifacts that continually and further disprove their sacred holy books. The fact that Christians have to constantly be on the defense is (to me) just more proof that there is something incorrect concerning their religion or beliefs. Most things that are held to be true and real (gravity for example) are NOT under constant onslaught of opposing ideas, and yet religions are (and their members hold their religion to be so true).

What arguments can religion use to prove god?

Why is there something rather than nothing? That's a pretty famous one used by theists of every belief. Of course it's an argument against themselves because they aren't actually assuming there once was nothing. To them there was always something, and that is their deity, and this begs the question that who created their deity?

They also are usually on the offensive concerning evolution. They try to poke holes in evolutionary theory and the fossil record. Of course they deny physical proof, and refuse to accept the truth (and fact) that evolution was/is/ and will happen forever until the end of species on Earth.

When Christians are faced with opposition they only make excuses because there ISN'T a factual answer concerning any of these opposing proofs. There isn't anything that will ever satisfy us non-believers because we strive for facts and physical evidence (something that religion can't provide us with). For non-believers it's very frustrating, and sometimes depressing that so many human beings believe what they do, and then act out on it with whatever form of force (aggressive or passive) they deem fit. Millions of people have been killed over something as simple and stupid as religion, millions of people will die due to religion in the future.

However, we are reaching a time where we will be able to disprove the Bible, the Quran, and every other religious book that has ever been written by simply using the scientific method, and hard, physical proof. And that day, my friends, will be one of the most beautiful, consciousness lifting, cloud clearing days in the history of human kind.

1495

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

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1495

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

Totally meant to quote that but I failed miserably. aha.

1495

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

I think you're mistaken, dear Q (again, peace to you!). It is a FACT that many of these never SAW disease... until the Europeans arrived. Before that, either childbirth, starvation, exposure, poisoning, or wild animals were the cause of death. However, for all of the lives modern technology has saved, you cannot rule out all of the ones lost... via wars, coups, genocides, biological experimentations (either direct or indirect), industrial/vehicular/carrier accidents, pharmaceuticals/tobacco products, etc., ALL contrived, derived, controlled, sold, and the result of... man. Seriously...

Yes, the biggest killers of all... wars, coups, and genocides. Wars caused by religion, coups by certain militant religious groups, and genocides of entire religions by other religions. These types of war, and these types of aggression are the ones that kill the most. Read the Old Testament, and find all the genocides, war, and coups that God instructed his people to act out.

1495

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

The fact that one can acknowledge that he doesn't know why his extremely loving, peace giving deity allows evil just points more towards lunacy. Why worship him? It's just pure stubborness.

To give an example that a very famous scientist/evolutionist put forth... how is it acceptable that there are billions of people on the Earth and those billions of people are all in thousands of different sects of hundreds of different religions? How has that become acceptable to our societies? Imagine if you take every region where there is a majority that practices one religion and substitute it with individual groups of scientists in certain regions that have different theories on why the dinosaurs died. Imagine that everyone in the Middle East believed there was an ice age that we don't know about, and in Eastern Europe people believe that they still exist, and so on. It's absolutely ridiculous, that would never happen, it would never be acceptable in the scientific world. And yet, in the world we find it so acceptable that people believe different religions all over the world. Not only that but your religion is either based on where you were geographically born or what your parents believe. All or most of you are ex Jehovah's Witnesses. A cult that indoctrinates children at a young age, puts forth mounds of lies but is believed by many. You find out how fake the religion is and then go on to ANOTHER religion that indoctrinates children, puts forth lies, etc. It's no better, and yet you find yourselves to be so self righteous in your beliefs that you ignore plausible, valid, logical arguments that completely disprove the existence of your deity, that you create excuses, or just flat out admit that you don't know why he does certain things. It's horrible, and depressing that your rational mind is so clouded by your religious mind that you completely ignore or just deny it.

Children are indoctrinated into religions around the world on a daily basis. This is the only way that religion continues. Because of the sponge that our mind is when we are young we are inbred with an instinct to completely deny anything that goes against what we believe.

Psac, you admitted that you have no idea why God permits evil to occur, and you find that acceptable? Scientists admit that they don't know for sure how the universe came to being, but they actually can work on finding the truth. Your knowledge will never be filled, you will never know the answer to why God permits evil. Never. And yet you continue to believe in something that can never give you all the answers. I just don't understand it.