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The Animal Sentience Bill - what next?

by LoveUniHateExams in

so, in the uk there was recently a bill which was nodded through parliament - the animal sentience bill - which was backed by vegan activists.. dogs, cats.

cows, even lobsters now have been recognised to have feelings.. first of all, let me say that if you want to go vegan that's fine with me.

we're all allowed our individual dietary choices.. but for how much longer?

I think people who campaign for animal rights deserve our support - but their aim isn't to improve livestock conditions, it's to stop meat being produced.
BTW, I'm all for improving livestock conditions ... if that's the only aim.

The animal sentience bill legally recognises that animals feel pain and pleasure, happiness and misery. More than 45 different animal rights and environmental groups campaigned for the bill, including the Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Vegans obviously support the bill, but it's a million miles away from protecting animals against us eating them. It is a step forward in helping to reduce their suffering before we eat them. For example killing the lobster before boiling it.

Matt Ridley, a popular science writer has probably gotten it right when he said “The sentient animals that concern me in relation to the Bill are the living, sensing, voluntarily moving creatures called bureaucrats. The Bill does little or nothing to change the way we treat animals, but it does create a wonderful feeding opportunity for Homo bureaucratius to do what it is best at: to build a nest and raise a lot of workers.”

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The Animal Sentience Bill - what next?

by LoveUniHateExams in

so, in the uk there was recently a bill which was nodded through parliament - the animal sentience bill - which was backed by vegan activists.. dogs, cats.

cows, even lobsters now have been recognised to have feelings.. first of all, let me say that if you want to go vegan that's fine with me.

we're all allowed our individual dietary choices.. but for how much longer?

PaddyTheBaddy

Dogs, cats. cows, even lobsters now have been recognised to have feelings.

I'm not vegan or vegetarian. I do recognise that animals bread for slaughter can be subjected to horrific treatment. I think people who campaign for animal rights deserve our support. They certainly won't get everything they want, but their efforts may go a long way to help improve conditions in slaughter houses.

This film contains some of the most horrific scenes of animal cruelty ever recorded. If we are going to eat them we should at least be aware of what they had to go through before they arrived on our plate. The kosher slaughter houses are particularly gruesome.

"If I could make everyone in the world see one film,

I'd make them see EARTHLINGS."

- Peter Singer, author Animal Liberation

EARTHLINGS is a 2005 American documentary film about humankind's total dependence on animals for economic purposes. Presented in five chapters (pets, food, clothing, entertainment and scientific research) the film is narrated by Joaquin Phoenix, featuring music by Moby, and was written, produced and directed by Shaun Monson.

http://www.nationearth.com/

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

PaddyTheBaddy

There are a few appropriate verses among the ~ 50 000, though, . One example in this week's zooming:
"Earth hanging on nothing" but actually hanging, against gravity by the "dynamic" energy of it's velocity, creating the centrifugal force. One could hardly call energy "nothing". and

God could have opted for general relativity, the ancient mind most likely would have struggled to understand it.

the lacking support is seen in the fuzzy image of the shadow of the earth against the moon in an eclipse. so, no secret to any observant ancients.

It's still a secret to many modern day observers who believe the earth is flat.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

PaddyTheBaddy

PTB, no, in verse 37 of ICor14 he declares it to be the "Lord's commandment" and:

I think you could argue that Paul needed an argument from authority in his attempt to get the Corinthians to listen to his council. The Corinthians questioned his apostleship which meant they didn't have much regard for his teaching. When Paul wrote to Timothy he stated that he did not permit a woman to teach.

1 Timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

He couldn't use the same approach with the Corinthians because many of them didn't care what Paul thought. This may be why Paul referred to what the law stated in order to add some weight to his argument for women to remain silent.

1 Corinthians 14:34

Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

Paul didn't actually believe christians where under obligation anymore to keep the whole law. He didn't believe in circumcision so no one was yoked to the law. He expresses his thoughts in Galatians below. Also Jesus never silenced any woman. The first person he revealed his identity to was a woman who went off and told everyone.

It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2 Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love. . . . 13 For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, " YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. "

If the bible is a product of the universe's intelligence heritage, do you think that is true of other holy writings too? They are just as an oddball read!

Yes it goes for every book ever written not just holy ones. The only way around this is to believe in free will. If you believe in free will then you aren't far from believing in some form of dualism or separation between mind and body.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

PaddyTheBaddy

How about Pauls advise that "Women should not speak in the congreagation"

I think this may be one of those instances where it was just an opinion expressed by Paul.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

PaddyTheBaddy

A parent doesnt allow the kids to figure things out by themselves. Its dangerous for the kids too. And god allowed nearly 5600 Years for mankind to figure out that diseases are caused by germs ? And that the earth spins around the sun ?

I'm afraid all I can say is God must have different ideas on what parenting involves. His view on things has a longer range, so maybe this is a factor?

How about stoning a man to death because he picked up sticks on the Sabbath
How about owning slaves as well as beating them. These are all gods commands.
How about Jesus saying "Leave your family and come after me". "Hate your family and come after me"

I never understood why stoning was used as a means of killing?

Did God not just tolerate man's desire to have slaves and provide rules to regulate it? in the same way he tolerated men wanting to have multiple wives.

I accept these things are very difficult to make sense of, especially from our limited perspective on things. I personally take hope from the fact that at least we recognise these things challenge our moral sense.

If there is an afterlife, some if not all of these things may be better understood in light of what God was in the process of accomplishing. Unfortunately, without an afterlife our desire for understanding and justice will never be satisfied.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

PaddyTheBaddy

PTB: are you defending the divine origin of the scriptures?

No matter how I look at it, I can't help but conclude, that the origin of the scriptures is related to the origin of the universe. If all that exists is the material world, existing uncaused as a brute fact, then the scriptures are a product of the universe in the same way mankind is a product of the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bwOIE9GXKM

If the universe has a cause, then a reasonable case can be made that this cause is something beyond the material universe, something immaterial, spaceless and timeless. If this turns out to be a mind, then everything including the scriptures must have some connection to this mind.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

PaddyTheBaddy

PTB If the creator knew that his credibility would rest on the record he set, in his claimed word and creation, he would make sure that his works would not contradict his word. imho. He would know, that the truth about the truth aka his word, would come out, sooner or later.

In my opinion, where it counts the most, his works harmonised with his word. God didn't just state that there is no greater love than the love shown when one person lays down their life on behalf of another, he lead by example.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

PaddyTheBaddy

Interestingly, even ancient bible writers noticed that in REALITY, life on this earth reflects a life with no Visible Evidence of a Benevolent, Eternal God.

You don't have to look far to see evil and suffering in the world. I don't pretend to be able to answer adequately the very difficult question of why God permits horrendous suffering to occur. Despite the suffering there is still beauty to be found, sometimes even as a consequence of the suffering.

“The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and deep concern. Beautiful people do not just happen,” Elisabeth Kübler-Ross.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

PaddyTheBaddy

PTB: If true what you say, but then The author would not encase these gems into a setting that totally discredits "The word of God"s claim to divine inspiration, verification. such as Gen 1:1, which gives the planet Earth an age of 13,8 billion years.

From my understanding of the account in Genesis, God wasn't overly concerned about giving us a science lesson. He set the stage for the conflict between the truth and the lie between righteousness and unrighteousness, love and hate. These are things we are still contending with on a daily basis.

As for the age of the earth I don't believe the bible claims he did it in seven literal days. We have an intelligible universe with minds capable of unraveling its mysteries.

“The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible, ”Albert Einstein

PaddyTheBaddy

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LoveUniHateExams5 days ago

I think people who campaign for animal rights deserve our support - but their aim isn't to improve livestock conditions, it's to stop meat being produced.BTW, I'm all for improving livestock conditions ... if that's the only aim.

I think people who campaign for animal rights deserve our support - but their aim isn't to improve livestock conditions, it's to stop meat being produced.
BTW, I'm all for improving livestock conditions ... if that's the only aim.