Posts by OBVES

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I have done my first apostate field service today

by DagothUr in

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i was invited today to a person who's studying the bible with the jw from my former congo to repair her computer.

inevitably, the reasons for my da came into discussion.

i gave her some good apostate explanations and she seemed to see the light.

OBVES

If you believe in God and know that the next moment saved person dies is heavenly life it is not a big issue .

There were many other reasons many died for the faith they professed .

Harold Camping spoke about people who died in earthquake in Haiti this year. For those who believed in God truly and died it was a blessing from God ! As they left the misery they had in their country and now went to heaven to be with Christ in their soul existence.

You can assume that some who died for refusing the blood transfusion faced an accident beyond his or her control and had to forfeit his or her life !

Or better died for his conviction like many christians that died before.

There is a river between the two lives .One is on left side and you are there and have a child that faces death .If you love God and your child, you will do the best for your child . And will refuse the blood transfusion and let your child go to the other side of the river where there is a better life : heavenly life .And you know also that most children that grow further in this life on this side of the river don't believe in God at all or believe wrongly and may never be saved .Which is the better solution to keep your child forever ?

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2011 Special Talk: Bible Principles-Can They Help Us to Cope With Today's Problems?

by yknot in

ahh low and behold!.

it turns out those bethelites were being bold!.

brazen is what many with login privileges can be called.... ....... knowing that such an important talk outline shouldn't be stalled!.

OBVES

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

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"Do We Have to Jump From the Watchtowers Frying Pan into Hellfire?"

by leavingwt in

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friends

some may enjoy this new post at free minds by sherry jansma.

do we have to jump from the watchtowers frying pan into hellfire?.

one of the most appealing doctrines in the theology of jehovahs witnesses is their teaching on hellfire.

OBVES

On this one doctrine we can refute most religions of the world .And that means almost all beliving people in God or some other deities are dead wrong .

No one like Harold Camping of the Family Radio Stations ( http://www.familyradio.com ) had taught literal hell so convincingly !

he had taught it for almost 50 years on his fascinating Open Forum program and when he began teaching about the year 2011 AD as the year of Jesus' return and rapture he was still teaching this cruel unbiblical doctrine of hell .

Now he teaches otherwise which Jehovah's Witnesses has been teaching for decades.

Sould that sins it shal die - Ezekiel 18.4.

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A Possible Reason Why Some Want To Be Jehovah's Witnesses

by minimus in

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i think some want to be witnesses even if they know some of the teachings and views are questionable because they feel special!.

if they get a "privilege" or are allowed to pioneer or allowed to preach from house to house and be "ministers", they feel like they are somebody.. what do you think?

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OBVES

Those who are true Jehovah's Witnesses and teach the Bible can be called true endtime prophets.

The only other exception to that are some single indpenedent christians who are not associated with any earthly church organization.

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A Possible Reason Why Some Want To Be Jehovah's Witnesses

by minimus in

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friends

i think some want to be witnesses even if they know some of the teachings and views are questionable because they feel special!.

if they get a "privilege" or are allowed to pioneer or allowed to preach from house to house and be "ministers", they feel like they are somebody.. what do you think?

?.

OBVES

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jw splinter groups

by bigmac in

jookbeard wrote:.

"they are globally united in their beliefs;.

not true there are many splinter groups and sects of the wts and they have the worse retention rates of any man made religious cult on the planet".

OBVES

They can use Matthew 24.45-46 to beat you up if you oppose them .There is no other strict organization that you can put in their place .You must have the servants in it that claim to be from the 144000 class of servants who feed the flock under them ,over which they have a complete control.

I realize that and that is why I go by Luke 9.49-50 .

I am the one who is outside and serve God Yahweh and Jesus but I am not against Jehovah's Witnesses .You can see that I included them in the period of 120 years preceding the coming of Jesus.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

google group to visit is alt.religion.jehovahs-witn .Find my one post and click on "more options" and then on" find messages by this author " amd you can retrieve my past messages there.

Unless we locate a faithful servant as per Matthew 24.45-50 we cannot talk about the returning of Jesus and the end of the world yet.

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jw splinter groups

by bigmac in

jookbeard wrote:.

"they are globally united in their beliefs;.

not true there are many splinter groups and sects of the wts and they have the worse retention rates of any man made religious cult on the planet".

OBVES

For Jesus to return the passage Matthew 24.45-50 come to pass .It implies there must be a faithful servant who has his flock under strict control.He rules over the flock. There cannot be two organizations at the same time coexisting before Jesus' return.

Unless such organization is a free -organization where all are equal and can teach the Bible in gatherings.No rituals are observed .

The Dawn movement would fit this picture but they show enimosity towards Jehovah's Witnesses who have special servants from the 144000 class among them .

I am not a Jehovah's Witness .I am on my own and don't gather with any other human being and yet sympathize with Jehovah's Witnesses to be in agreement with Luke 9.49-50.You can be oustide but cannot be against "them".

There is no organization that fits Matthew 24.45-46 that must be fulfilled in the endtimes if our times are indeed the endtime era.

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2011 Daily Propaganda...er...I mean Daily Text Bible DISTORTIONS

by brotherdan in

reading through it is vomit inducing.

they chage the word of god, making it invalid.

it contains all the "best" stuff from the wts of april 2009 to march 2010. much of it focuses on the "faithful slave" and the 2 class idea.

OBVES

You have not yet checked what I have written on alt.bible .Click on my one post there and you can see "options" and click on it and then on "find messages by this author ".

Don't be prejudiced towards me . I am not a Jehovah's Witness .I am an outsider using Luke 9.49-50 to confirm God's words.

I am not against Jehovah's Witnesses who have those belonging to the remnant of 144000 servants among them .

Read Matthew 24.45-46 there must be a servant class that feeds its flock.No other organization that fits that passage to fulfill the endtime prophecies.Christ will not return if there is no such servant who is a ruler over his household ( flock ).

I am not ruling over anyone as I am doing preaching work on my own .I am not an organization and don't intent to establish it.

Read Luke 9.49-50 carefully.

You don't know who are false prophets . False prophets are those who resist the endtime predictions and teach others to do the same.

I wrote on who are false prophets today just go the newsgroup alt.religion.jehovahs-witn or alt.bible .Recover my posts.

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2011 Daily Propaganda...er...I mean Daily Text Bible DISTORTIONS

by brotherdan in

reading through it is vomit inducing.

they chage the word of god, making it invalid.

it contains all the "best" stuff from the wts of april 2009 to march 2010. much of it focuses on the "faithful slave" and the 2 class idea.

OBVES

Any time the Bible is quoted whatever translation it is still acceptable to let us come to the truth.

And the truth is that we are nearing the end of the present world order and Jehovah's Witnesses play a hug role in the endtime scenario.

They are included positively in the period of 120 years that must precede the end .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com and follow my advice there.

1878 AD is linked to the arrival of the International Bible Students Association from which Jehovahs Witness organization comes from.

8 BC = 1878 AD; 7 BC=1879 AD ; 2 BC =1884 AD .

29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD = 1914 AD-1918 AD-1921 AD.

Note time gaps between the dates agree. 2 BC - 29 AD = 30 years = 1884 AD - 1921 AD.

Jehovah's Witnesses have their own 7-year period : 1935 AD - 1939 AD - 1942 AD .

Suppose they came into existence in 1936 AD . It would not agree with the timeline .

Suppose the International Bible Students Association came into existence in 1892 AD it would have messed up the timeline..

It must be 1878 AD,1879 AD,1884 AD,1914 AD to begin the endtime era . Go to my website to see that .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

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Great Tribulation

by Friend in

great tribulation.

the biblical text of matthew 24:21 speaks of a great tribulation that, unless cut short, no flesh would be saved from.

jehovahs witnesses have often applied that scriptural text as having a major and minor fulfillment; one fulfillment associated with jerusalems destruction in 70 ad and a later fulfillment just prior to the end of this worlds system of things.

OBVES

Great Tribulation in my view ended in 1999 AD which was a symbolic sign of the coming end.

I superimpose the horrible events from 1914 AD - 1944 AD upon the period 1984 AD -1999 AD.

The first world war : 1914 AD - 1919 AD = 5 years.

The Great Depression of 1929 AD - 1932 AD = 3 years.

The Second World War : 1938 AD - 1945 AD = 7 years .

1984 AD + 7 years + 3 years + 5 years = 1999 AD.

In the year 1999 AD was a solar eclipse as as a sign and in 2000 AD a lunar eclipse as a sign and 12 stars falling down are 12 years after.

Matthew 24.29-30.

The first star fell in 2000 AD in the fall which means the first year of 12 years remaining passed away .Then we have the second star falling in 2001 AD with the last star falling in the fall in 2011 AD.

1999 AD + 12 years as 12 stars falling = 2011 AD.

Harold Camping of the Family Radio teaches the Great Tribulation began on May,21,1988 AD when God put Satan over all local church congregations which must be abandoned by those who want to be saved in 2011 .

May,21,1988 AD - May,21,2011 AD makes the period of Great Tribulation according to Harold Camping from http://www.familyradio.com .

In his view the Grat Tribulation will last 23 years exactly as to the single day precisely .

Note on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn which is my favorite discussion group (on usenet ) I have a period of 23 years from

2011 AD to 2034 AD.

2300 days from Daniel 8.14 the best way were placed by Harold Camping inmy view:

May,21,1988 AD + "2300 days" which are included in the 23 -year Great Tribulation leads to September ,7,1994 AD which began a jubilee year

and the Latter Rain Harvest began at that time : the final seperation of wheat from tares.

On this one point about right placing of 2300 days Harold Camping beat up me and all Jehovah's Witnesses .I think he is the only person on the face of the earth that got it right the best way.