in the public edition of the april 1 wt, the questions from readers twists scriptures, meanings, and language to come to the conclusion that hell is not a place.. whether you believe in hell or not, you have to agree that their methods of arguing this point are dishonest.
note this quote:.
"jesus knew that the very thought of burning.
Leolaia you better listen what the Watchtower teaches on hell and also tune to Open Forum by Harold Camping who had taught for decades like no one else about hot hell and changed his view . You take the Bible words literally in time when they should not be . Jesus was teaching in parables and metaphors - Matthew 13.11,34-35.
Just for simple common sense how death can be tormented in Revelation 20.14 ? Death is a process or an idea .
in the public edition of the april 1 wt, the questions from readers twists scriptures, meanings, and language to come to the conclusion that hell is not a place.. whether you believe in hell or not, you have to agree that their methods of arguing this point are dishonest.
note this quote:.
"jesus knew that the very thought of burning.
If you belive in eternal hot hell you are not in true religion and those who are in false religions are destined to be destroyed ifv they heard the news there is no such hot hell and still resist .
Call Harold Camping on his Open Forum program 1-800-322-5385 and tell him you have proofs in the Bible there is hot hell forever and what he will tell you . He was teaching literal hot hell untill 2007 AD like no one else in this world and all of a sudden changed his view .He was 100% sure about hot hell till that time and was denouncing Jehovah's Witnesses for their false doctrine on hell !
in the public edition of the april 1 wt, the questions from readers twists scriptures, meanings, and language to come to the conclusion that hell is not a place.. whether you believe in hell or not, you have to agree that their methods of arguing this point are dishonest.
note this quote:.
"jesus knew that the very thought of burning.
There is no hot hell forever is a specialty of Jehovah's Witnesses that puts them well ahead of all other christian organizations and only blind people cannot see that .
The true religion must teach then there is no hot hell forever from the very beginning of its existence .On this one point most religions are disqualified and are doomed together with their adherents . I would not like to be for a second in a shoe of a person that believes in eternal hot hell .
in the public edition of the april 1 wt, the questions from readers twists scriptures, meanings, and language to come to the conclusion that hell is not a place.. whether you believe in hell or not, you have to agree that their methods of arguing this point are dishonest.
note this quote:.
"jesus knew that the very thought of burning.
The Watchtower is one of the best to pinpoint there is no hot hell forever . Those who try to imply there is a hot hell forever know nothing about the true God of the Bible . Of course God can destroy people with fire in an everlasting way meaning that fire will finish off those people once for all the time.
The best preacher of literal hell was Harold Camping of the Family Radio for decades . No one in the world teaught hell in so cruel way as Camping and he taught it by intense studying of the Bible for decades. And in this intense study he might have been the best or one of the best and yet he was so strong proponent of hell .He was 100% sure like he is today sure Christ will return on May 21 ,2011 that hell exists. IN 2007 he was still in this hot hell doctrine to change it that year near the end .
Now he is one of the best to teach there is no hot hell forever !
Just listen to Open Forum
All religions that teach literal hot hell will be destroyed by God .
God will annihilate the people who share this view in the endtime era we live now.
"throughout our history, religious leaders and organizations have claimed that their holy books provide accurate prophecies about the end of the world.
the examples shown in this video are (relatively) fringe organizations, but despite their overt activism and cult-like behavior, organizations like familyradio.com provide a glimpse into what the more mainstream religions adhere to and believe.
pastors, priests, apologists, ministers, religious philosophers and leaders of every kind, from every generation, have quoted from the books of daniel and revelation about the end of days.
I am not a follower of Harold Camping some may assume. I consider him as the best opponent to my beliefs and those of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Come on , read my posts on alt.bible (a google group ) . Camping is against Jehovah's Witnesses as he is against all other local churches .
I am in turn making some exceptions to prove an important requirement for the endtimes to prove we are in .
We must have a period of 120 years taken into account as a sign of Noah's days when ark was being built . Harold Camping is trapped in his declaration in my view as he doesn't have this 120-year period . He would have to find people that are related to this period . Only the International Bible Students and after them Jehovah's Witnesses fit this period !
His May 21,2011 is shaky despite of the fact that many people like his calculations leading to that date.He was helped on that as he has many people calling him or writing him giving him advice.But we may presume he is distinct in this proclamation like no other man on this planet and he is a peculiar person check on wikipedia about him . He is number 1 on radio unquestionably and worthy to listen to get him in his mistakes and to learn some things .
I am a vivid listener to his Open Forum program.I advise you to listen to for a few times at least .I am waiting for his date may 21 ,2011. Count days .It will be a necessity to hear his two last Open Forum programs : on May 19 and 20 . I wonder about May 20 as in Jerusalem will be already May 21 using our time. So just in case I must get him on May 18 too necessarily .
Never before there was anything like that as now we have the internet and Family Radio broadcasts to many countires of the world and people put billboards in so many places . This will be waitng !
Camping is putting his reputation on line and imagine what will be on Open Forum next week after May 21 if May 21 passes by as a usual day .
He has no back up date he claims . He must believe in 100% it will happen as he says .
I have in turn back-up dates , and not one .So my is the prediction . It can be viewed like you were going to cast a die with 6 sides with dots from 1 to 6 dots . Only a result with one dot would mean a failed prediction for September 29,2011 .What thoughts would come into your mind and what would you do if you faced this ? One dot = failure of the prediction all other results on top side after a throw would mean a fulfillment of the prediction ( dots from 2 to 6 ).That is why it is like a prediction with a 83-84 % chance .
"throughout our history, religious leaders and organizations have claimed that their holy books provide accurate prophecies about the end of the world.
the examples shown in this video are (relatively) fringe organizations, but despite their overt activism and cult-like behavior, organizations like familyradio.com provide a glimpse into what the more mainstream religions adhere to and believe.
pastors, priests, apologists, ministers, religious philosophers and leaders of every kind, from every generation, have quoted from the books of daniel and revelation about the end of days.
I strongly recommend to go into details who Harold Camping came up with his declaration on May 21,2011 AD . He is not predicting May 21,2011 AD.
He is absolutely sure 100% it will happen what he says about that date . He is putting his reputation on line and his Family Radio station may go down with him as well . Just tune in to Camping's Open Forum to learn how he defends his May,21 proclamation .
The age for the best predictions began in 1984 AD in my view .For Harold Camping it was the year 1988 AD that began that process.
Now it depends also on who is making predictions . We cannot just take any prediction into our attention if it is given by someone from false religion.
One must establish which religion is true to the Bible or the closest to the Bible in understanding and you cannot get two religions at the same time . I am talking about religious organizations . Now we live in the time when the final harvest or latter day rain is taking place and individual religious views are the predominant form of religion as this type of religion will be existing in the Paradise .
I am not a member of any earthly church organization I believe on individual basis in the Bible and I use Luke 9.49-50 to prove I can be on my own without belonging to Jehovahs Witness organization but I cannot oppose them which is a requirement of that reference where Jesus said :
"Don't forbid him (who was an individual believer ) he who is not against us is with us ".
And this requirement is being fulfilled in my case as I am sympathizing with Jehovah's Witnesses and put them in my prediction as a positive force in the endtime era . The dates I am using prove that .
Harold Camping is the only outsider of Jehovahs Witness organization and their sympathizers who was able to mount a prediction that challenges all predictions made by the Watchtower and anyone else .He is on his own as an individual believer that allows me to take him into account to some degree.
As his opponent I must give him a chance to his proclamation , though a little 1% . I myself will await that date May 21,2011 AD with suspension what is going to happen that day.
If it were a very known protestant Bible preacher like Swaggart or Lindsey I would give them no chance at all in their predictions now .
It must be someone from the Watchtower or 144000 servants or exceptionally someone who is practising indvidual religion based on the Bible.
just when i thought the wash towel was done trying to interpret the book of revelations, i came across this from paragraph 16 on the last page of the march 15, 2011 watchtower.... .
the urgency of the times we live in is underscored when we consider the inspired prophecy at revelation 17:10. the seventh king, the anglo-american world power, has come into existence.
concerning it we read: when he [the seventh world power] does arrive he must remain a short while.
When Armageddon comes all powers will cease to exist very fast ( in a short time ).
But to know when Armageddon will come we must know how God Yahweh works His plans in time . We must know how God acted in the past in what specific times . This requieres the usage of biblical calendar of history .
But doing calculations on numbers in the Bible we must create a timeline in a logical fashion that shows God's perfect actions .
That is why now knowing that the date September 29,2011 AD came out as the best prediction for Jesus' return I can assure anyone Armageddon will not come tomorrow , neither on March 29 or April 10 ,2011 AD, it will not come in 2013 AD. 2039 AD, 3045 AD but it may come on Septemeber 29,2011 AD . It will not come on September 12 ,2011 AD .It will not comeon November 24 ,2011 AD.
It will not come unless a specific date is announced to the world by someone who is God's servant and the proclamation must be based on the Bible.
i've noticed quite a few dissidents of jehovah's organization that have left with some fixation on jehovah's witnesses concept of new light.
i really don't understand.
the antiquity of religion may be historically educational, but not always personally illuminating.
I wish it is not your death day ! You still have some time to check out yourself. Will you stand the Power of God the Almighty on September 29,2011 if you oppose God's plans ?
i've noticed quite a few dissidents of jehovah's organization that have left with some fixation on jehovah's witnesses concept of new light.
i really don't understand.
the antiquity of religion may be historically educational, but not always personally illuminating.
If you read my posts on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn by God's grace and guidance came to the truths that seem to oppose many teachings of the Watchtower and what ? I am not opposing them as you can see I am sympathizing with Jehovah's Witnesses . They have errors and yet they are still the better christian organization than any other. Weight of their mistakes is lighter than mistakes of all other christian organizations.
Many see their predictions as something very bad .But they were not bad as many would think.
Their predecessors the International Bible Students were approved of God 100% sure .
I am using the dates 1879 AD,1884 AD,1914 AD in the endtime chronology proving they were the true christians.Not false prophets at all ! If not false prophets, there must be new rules that determine now who is a false prophet in our time.
People using the Old Testament verses from Deuteronomy to show that the Watchtower or Jehovah's Witnesses are false prophets make a mistake - a misapplication pof words that applied to the Old Testament era to the first coming of Jesus.
Read my posts and retrieve earlier posts and see I have been predicting 1991 ,1994 ,1999,2000,2001,2004,2005 and in spite of failures I am not considering myself a false prophet and am convinced I am in good standing with God Yahweh - God of the Bible and now with God's help I have another prediction for September 29,2011 which has a huge chance of becoming fulfilled !
i've noticed quite a few dissidents of jehovah's organization that have left with some fixation on jehovah's witnesses concept of new light.
i really don't understand.
the antiquity of religion may be historically educational, but not always personally illuminating.
Since the new light comes into account in Bible research you cannot go in details to the years before 1914 AD and criticize.
The changes had to take place . Just listen to Open Forum by Harold Camping what he was teaching about hell 5 years ago and what he is teaching now ! http://www.familyradio.com .
How he changed his views within a few years !
So the best way is to read what the Watchtower is teaching now at this time and go with it if you like .
