Posts by OBVES

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Camping tells all tonight!!

by moshe in

jw
friends

yes, the dates are correct, proofs are correct and judgment day came on may 21- but it was an invisible spiritual judgment- the end of the world is still coming on oct 21. harold egbert camping has just explained the truth to the world 5 minutes ago..

OBVES

I heard it ! Harold Camping was back and may be the record number of people watched him last night which was his first appearance on Open Forum after failed proclamation concerning May 21,2011 . Almost nothing changed just the right date is now October 21 ,2011 which could have been expected .

He was mistaken ! Just tune to his Open Forum repeat by using ivi.tv or
something else and you can hear it : it is October 21 -the Last Day; and the
mass media in his studio heard it !
The Rapture was simply moved to October 21 ,2011 and it is so easy to
understand . I myself was convinced that the date October 21 ,2011 was
a better date than May 21,2011 .
The Judgement Day came on May 21 ,2011 as it was proclaimed but it
happened in a spiritual way ! No more billboards ,no more caravans
the world knows it nowthat it came under the judgement on May 21,2011.
I would assume from that there is no more salvation for anyone who was
not saved untill May 21 ,2011 .

On October 21,2011 Camping says the world will be destroyed .
Tune tomorrow for Open Forum .It will a regular program ( alive )
with listeners calling for the first time after
May 21,2011 . The whole world should be listening in my view .
I am going to record Camping tomorrow on audio tape .It will be a
historic Open Forum.

But let me make it clear !
This May 21 ,2011 could have been also a Judgement Day on Camping and
his followers as they hold some horrible unaccepatble doctrines God
Yahweh rejects .And that day may be a good warning to anyone building
predictions about Jesus' coming in oppositon to Jehovah's Witnesses
who hold the sway in this field as they are covered by the period of
120 years that is a requirement given in the Bible : if there is an
endtime era it must be in the likeness of Noah's days of the flood
when Noah was building the ark for 120 years and there were also 7
days which can also mean 7 years if we know one day may be like a year
- Ezekiel 4.6.

No other religion or individuals who oppose Jehovah's Witnesses can
lay a claim on this awesome sign - Matthew 24.37-39. Only of God
Yahweh we can know that we live in a day and hour when endtimes are in
place and true worshippers of God Yahweh should expect the glorious
return of Jesus who will remove the wicked from the face of the earth
and God's Kingdom rule will be established on the face of our earth .

1884 AD + 120 years + 7 years = 2011 AD + 23 years = 2034 AD ( 1914 +
120 years = 2034 )
2034 ... 1000-year Sabbath Day ... 3034 AD .

September 29,2011 should begin this awesome era with a period of 23
days ending on October 21,2011.
Note these 23 days may represent two periods :
1988 - 2011 = 23 years = 2011 - 2034 .
It may be that these period September 29- October 21 ,2011 will be the
most glorious period in mankind's history and Jehovah's Witnesses seem
to stand to be winners .
They see clear differences between God Yahweh who is the only true GOD
and Jesus who can be called God .
GOD and God are two different beings here . You have to study my posts
to get insight into this matter.

http://www.focusomnthebible2011.com .

On the website I recommend you go to a google group alt.bible. Do just that to get the whole picture .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com .

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...WBT$/JW 1975.....Harold Camping`s May 21 2011 Rapture...

by OUTLAW in

now we know how stupid we look..when we knock on peoples doors... with the wbt$ message... .

"armageddon is just around the corner!".

..................... ...outlaw.

OBVES

May 21 ,2011 is a turning point indeed ! It was settled once for all .If you are not Jehovah's Witness or a friend of theirs never dare to make any prediction on Jesus' return or end of the world . These hold a sway in endtime predictions as God is perfect in His plans , not a God of confusion.

All things must be in line and dates must be presented that support the fact that we are in the times like Noah was and the 120-year ark must be built .

No other religion except the International Bible Students and their legitimate successors fit in this 120-year time frame to have contributed into the building a spiritual ark of salvation.

If any one predicts the end a question can easily be posed where do you have a 120-year period included in your prediction ?

Harold Camping did not have ! He failed ! The best Bible preacher on radio on this planet earth was defeated yesterday like no one else in our times we live . If what he predicted had happened he would be even destroyed for heretic views like that Jesus is God the Father !

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

Farkel you have to study my posts very carefully if I am predicting the end of the world to find ouyt how I came to the date September 29,2011 and also other dates like : 1984 AD , 1988 AD,1991 AD,1950 AD,1999 AD,2004 AD etc.

7 weeks of Daniel 9 can mean 7 times 7 days as 7 times 7 years = 49 days =49 years.

7 weeks = 49 years = " 7 times " // + // 7 years = 49 years . 49 years - 7 years = 42 years = "7 times " .

The same method in 70 weeks " 7 times" will mean 420 years .

70 weeks = 7 times 70 days/70 years = 490 years ="7 times " // + // 70 years = 420 years + 70 years.

7 times in 70 weeks can represent 420 years.

The examples from the past. I have not made up these old dates I give .Check the publication : Babylon the Great Has Fallen by the Watchtower .

1034 BC ... 1027 BC ... 607 BC ...... 537 BC ...... 1984 AD .... 1991 AD

7 years 7 times 70 years 7 times 7 years

420 years 2520 years

And now look !

Jehovahs Witness Tribulation : 1935 AD - 1942 AD. My tribulation period : 1984 AD - 1991 AD .

1935 AD + 7 weeks as 7 years + 42 years = 1984 AD.

1991 AD - 7 weeks as 7 years + 42 years = 1942 AD .

1991 AD - 7 weeks as 7 years + 2520 years = 537 BC.

1984 AD - 70 weeks as 70 years + 2520 years = 607 BC.

You are not fighting with me ,you are fighting with God Yahweh ,with His perfect endtime arrangement .

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Where's Obves?

by cantleave in

jw
friends

thought he could explain the great disappointment!!

!.

OBVES

Note also that Harold Camping had 6023 years from the creation of the world to the Flood of Noah.

He had also 13023 years from creation to the year 2011 AD.

And I have the year 2034 AD and in that year from the date for the Noah's Flood ,which Harold Camping established, we would have 7023 years apart !

But again the point crucial here we must have a period of 120 years behind and Harold Camping would have to recognize the International Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses to speak about such a period that must occur before the end of the world.

I believe Camping will cling fast to that October 21 ,2011 to get out of the trouble he got in .He will find explanations I assume knowing his reasonings from his Open Forum .

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Where's Obves?

by cantleave in

jw
friends

thought he could explain the great disappointment!!

!.

OBVES

If I had one only date in calculations I could put ,say , a 99 % certainty or so . I have few dates for this year and have some more after that .

The last year to predict for me will be the year 2034 AD.

Now already is the end of May 21 in Jerusalem ( I begin days with the morning ) . Right now I have a audio cassette running with Harold Camping speaking on Open Forum . Earlier he was speaking about that earthquake that was supposed to hit regions hour by hour.

If he dies tomorrow I am planning to listen to his Open Forum from my audiocassettes and will be enjoying and learning some things.

He is done ? Not sure now as I think he will be on Open Forum on Monday and I want to record his program a lot that day as it will be very interesting what he is going to say .He was standing mostly behind this May 21 ,2011 proclamation.

He had October 21,2011 when the universe was to be destroyed with fire . He may move the rapture to October 21 and use the parable about 153 fishes from the Bible - John 21.11 . He knows well where to find verses to prove the point.

Just stay in touch with the Family Radio and I believe Camping will be hosting Open Forum and it may be on this coming Monday.

However note that I am not a follower of Harold Camping .He is against Jehovah's Witnesses but I am not .

When I came to May 21 ,2011 by own way I already was publishing September 29,2011 as the best date.

May 21 doesn't end my case as we have more dates ahead of us for this year and now the first in line is September 29,2011.

http://www/focusonthebible2011.com .

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

Please , you don't understand that God works mysteriously and He may use date codes to convey important information.

You don't have to study history books to learn that 607 BC is like an agreed-on code hiding some information for true worshippers of God Yahweh.

It could be the year 1245 BC in actuality I don't care it is important true christians came to that date 607 BC and it stands as a date representing the event .

607 BC can be transformed into : 6x7 =42 which implies " 7 times " .

"7 times" can mean 2520 years,420 years ,42 years ....

607 BC + " 7 times " as 2520 years = 1914 AD.

God Yahweh wanted the International Bible Students or Jehovah's Witnesses to use this particular date 607 BC . In actuality it could have been a different date ,say 2356 BC or 4577 BC or 56999 BC but we take 607 BC because God wanted that way for some specific purpose.

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May 21st, 2011, Judgement Day?

by FrankWTower in

while on the subject of some wacko making yet another prediction, i found this info on time.com.. .

the onset of world war i freaked a lot of people out.

but it was especially trippy for the zion's watch tower tract society, a group that's now called jehovah's witnesses.

OBVES

It cannot be denied Harold Camping is the only Bible preacher outside of Jehovah's Witness campt with their sympathizers who was able to come closest to make such a strong proclamation about May 21 ,2011 .

Though I consider him as my best opponent I am waiting right now for 2 AM to see if his proclamation about earthquake in the first time zone is going to happen as he taught . Right now we have almost half hour to that awesome moment .

I have a better date September 29,2011 that carries Jehovah's Witnesses with me .Harold Camping opposes Jehovah's Witnesses so if Jesus comes back on this May 21 ,2011 Camping may be destroyed ! He gives a false testimony about Jesus claiming Jesus is God Jehovah the Father !

This is a horrible doctrine and God Yahweh doesn't like that .

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May 21st, 2011, Judgement Day?

by FrankWTower in

while on the subject of some wacko making yet another prediction, i found this info on time.com.. .

the onset of world war i freaked a lot of people out.

but it was especially trippy for the zion's watch tower tract society, a group that's now called jehovah's witnesses.

OBVES

When looking at predictons of the end of the world you have to find out who has the true christian religion .Only true christian religion may have a say in such an important matter.

No other religion like the International Bible Students could claim a legitimate status of God's people at that time.

You spent time on reading some article in a wrong place .

You check the dates that I give concerning the endtime era .You have just given something that has the dates 1874 and 1914 . And it is exactly I am using these to prove the International Bible Students were true christians . You see the opposite in these dates .

1874 AD is a duplicate date for 7 BC when Jesus was born.

1914 AD is a duplicate date when Jesus began teaching in 29 AD.

There was 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD and in our times we have 1914 AD-1918 AD-1921 AD .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com .

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

Not 539 BC should be used ! 537 BC this is a date that is in line in God's pre-arranged schedule .

537 BC is 70 years after 607 BC so the year 1914 AD + 70 years = 1984 AD.

Then this can be copied: 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD as 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD .

537 BC breaks into 53 and 37 . 537 ... 53 .... 37.

Like 666 can be like 66 and 66 666 .... 66 .... 66 = 132 years : 1879 AD - 2011 AD.

Using this method we get using 537 BC :

1891 AD + 53 years = 1944 AD .... 1974 AD + 37 years = 2011 AD.

1944 AD - 1974 AD = 30 years is for God's name 11,6,7,6 as 11+6+7+6 = 30 .

You have to study my posts to learn more details .

Just read my earlier response to using the date 607 BC - how the date 607 BC can be used to determine our endtimes ?

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

This issue was solved already . We take the date 607 BC because God guided His true believers to use this date as a secret endtime code .

This is a spiritual arrangement like in the army the meaning known only to inner circles ( soldiers ).

607 BC hides 6 and 7 . 6x7 =42 = " 7 times ".

We apply " 7 times " as 2520 years and also 2520 days to that date .

607 BC + 2520 years + 2520 days = 1914 AD - 1921 AD .This is it. The International Bible Students could be sure they are true christians as 2520 years ended in 1914 AD.

6 and 7 now it appears we get more understanding on that.

1878 AD ( which was established using various calculations ) + 6 years = 1884 AD.

1884 AD + 7 years = 1891 AD .

From 1884 AD and 1891 AD we count 120 years as a sign of Noah's days .

1884 AD + 120 years = 2004 AD .

1891 AD + 120 years = 2011 AD .

To fill up the gap between 2004 AD and 2011 AD we use 7 days from Genesis 7.1-4 as 7 years as per Ezekiel 4.6: 1 day = 1 year

and we get 2004 AD - 2011 AD .

1914 AD + 120 years = 2034 AD .

Those who try to undercut this spiritual arrangement fight not with me but with God of the Bible .

Using the date given by God as a code to his endtime true servants we can know :

1878 AD , 1884 AD ,1891 AD,1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD - 2004 AD - 2011 AD - 2034 AD are true indicators of the endtimes.

2034 AD - 2011 AD = 23 years which will be seems like the Judgement Day .

2034 AD - 1000-year Sabbath Day - 3034 AD (- 3044 AD ).

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com.