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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus

by snowbird in

http://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.

i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.

OBVES

This position is of Harold Camping known now to all the world because of his May 21,2011 proclamation .

He is 100% sure that Jesus is Jehovah . He was 100% sure there is hot hell just few years ago .He was 100% sure Jesus would return on May 21,2011 .

He is number 1 Bible preacher on radio and he has studied the Bible for more than 50 years or so like may no other human being .

Jesus is not Jehovah or God literally .The words Jehovah or God must be applied and understood in theire contextual appearance .

The name of God Yahweh ( Jehovah ) is written on the foreheads of his great servants -Revelation 14.1 .

If you could see these servants there are no names written literally on them but they are like Jehovah . You can imagine the name Jehovah written on their foreheads and you walk by and see all have names on them and would assume they are jehovahs .But there is one true God Jehovah who is the only true God .

In the Hebrew we must read the words like this in the contexts they appear and link to other related references that we may have .

In the English language we have an easy task to explain these matters .

YAHWEH ( JEHOVAH ) is GOD . Jesus is God , 144000 other servants are gods.

The same rule applied we have JEHOVAH - the only true GOD , Jesus Jehovah , God and 144000 servants jehovahs ,gods.

JEHOVAH here is not the same like Jehovah .

To make it clear when speaking we should stress JEHOVAH is not Jesus in speaking we don's see capital letters so we should narrow aplication of the word Jehovah .Simply God the Father is Jehovah alone to prevent misunderstanding among listeners.

Or you can say Jesus is Jehovah figuratively just as he is God figuratively.

When we speak about God the Father Jesus is "God" . God is Jehovah - God the Father .Jesus is "Jehovah" .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com.

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2011 'Let God's Kingdom Come' District Convention

by naeuca in

would anyone happen to have recordings of talks of this year's convention that i could listen to please?.

thanks very much in advance!.

naeuca.

OBVES

Are you sure this is the title in their convention: " 2011 - Let God's Kingodm Come " .This would be the prophecy that may happen this year if you know my prediction for September 29,2011 .

This would mean Jehovahs Witness wish would materialize as God Yahweh would have listened to their plea !

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com .

It looks like Jehovah's Witnesses would get power to rule this world this year .That would be their wish or prediction come true finally !

This could imply God Yahweh must have directed Jehovah's Witnesses that they came up with this right convention title ! It would be a prediction that has the best chance to come true .

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

So you have yourself to blame . This may be very strenous work to follow all calculations and see connections between dates.

Once we know we must count 2000 years since Jesus and 120 years as our times are to be in the likeness of Noah's days we can do some interesting calculations and get fascinating dates.

7 BC + 2000 years = 1994 AD.

2 BC + 2000 years = 1999 AD.

4 AD + 2000 years = 2004 AD.

11 AD + 2000 years = 2011 AD .

29 AD + 2000 years = 2029 AD .

33 AD + 2000 years = 2033 AD . And now we must have a period of 120 years preceding the end of 2000 years :

1994 AD - 120 years = 1874 AD a good date linked to the International Bible Students who predicted the coming of Jesus at that time which could not take place unless 120 years are finished !But it was a good sign that they were on the road to find when Jesus may come back.

1999 AD - 120 years = 1879 AD again it is in the favor of the International Bible Students who published the first original issue of the Watchtower : Zion's Watchtower or so .

2004 AD - 120 years back = 1884 AD and again that was the great year for the International Bible Students

2011 AD - 120 years back = 1891 AD . That year duplicated the age of Jesus at 12 and in this case I am not sure if the International Bible Students published a very important book that year .I would have to check . But I am personally relating that year 1891 AD to the birth of my father that would link me to the International Bible Students some way.

If we take 2029 AD and go back 120 years we come to 1909 AD which was not so important year ; the same with 2033 AD - 120 years = 1913 AD .

So,we look for some other way around to come up with the year 2034 AD.

587 BC .... 537 BC .... 487 BC were a jubilee years . 587 BC = 1934 AD , 537 BC = 1984 AD ; so 487 BC = 2034 AD .

The next jubilee year 437 BC gets into the timeline for the first coming of Jesus as these dates are used : 457 BC and 455 BC .

We take 50 years and place them before 587 BC and then 50 years backwards from 1934 AD lead to the year 1884 AD.

1884 AD + 120 years = 2004 AD . 1914 AD + 120 years = 2034 AD .

1884 AD - 2034 AD = 150 years .

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

Did you follow the advice given on my website and go to the alt.bible ( a google group ) and locate my one post and then retrieve many other posts or even on this forum you can read and ponder them asking God for guidance . It won't happen overnight I believe you must take a time and spend many hours by examining my posts .

I knew about solar eclipse on Augus 11,1999 AD and the lunar eclipse on January 21,2000 AD were the signs of the end and just days ago I better realized how important those two dates are i God's timing of the endtime era . It happened more than 11 years after ! So,you may not understand the consequences of my coming to such and such date.You must get out of your way to get to the core of these calculations .What methods are being used and how they explain the various dates we can get .

How in the world could come out with such an idea that 607 BC can be transformed into 60+7 and 67 is 66 + 1 .This could only happen by God's guidance .

And exactly 1+66 and 66 + 1 fit into these two time patterns :

1877 AD - 1878 AD - 1944 AD - 1945 AD - 2011 AD and 1878 AD -1879 AD - 1945 AD - 2011 AD - 2012 AD .

If anyone tries to refute the year 607 BC they are trying to thwart God's endtime plans . This date is 1000% sure to be taken !

Going upward on time ladder we get :

607 BC .... 1037 BC .... 1467 BC ..... 1512 BC ... 1942 BC .... 2372 BC .... 2492 BC.

430 years 430 years 45 years 430 years 430 years 120 years

These are important periods if we know 2492 BC we can know when Jesus should come onto the scene :

2492 BC + " 7 times " as 2520 years = 29 AD and count 120 years to get 149 AD.

120 years + 430 years + 430 years + 45 years + 430 years + 430 years = 1885 years .

29 AD + 1885 years = 1914 AD . 149 AD + 1885 years = 2034 AD .

You have a 120-year period here to consider for Jesus' return and the end of the present evil world order including all false religions.

1914 AD - 2034 AD .

Since the year 1984 AD has a clue to decode the endtimes and mankind's chronology we can be sure that these dates must be taken into account : 607 BC , 587 BC ,537 BC ,517 BC .

And the corresponding dates to these are in our times the following dates : 1914 AD,1934 AD,1984 AD,2004 AD 1000% sure !

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

Please stop being furious before it is too late or you will be madly furious when September 29,2011 AD rolls in .The dates I am giving are very solid .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

God rules the time ! The date 607 BC is irrefutable whatever other proofs you may find . God has his organization on earth that represents Him and He is dealing with His servants there and make them to come to things you being an outsider will not come to.

Great truths are encypted in that date 607 BC which serves a secret code to decode the endtimes .Read my posts I am giving ample proofs it is so.

In 607 is hidden " 7 times "( 6x7=42 ) . " 7 times" cover various periods that we should use to decode the biblical chronology.

"7 times " = 2520 years or 420 years ,or years and some more .We can replace 42 years with 2520 years.

From 607 BC when we add 2520 years we come to the year 1914 AD .

Then we can work more on 607 we can have 60 ... 7 which translates into 60 + 7 = 67 . The Bible must have 66 books at least and Jesus as God's Word is number 1 ( 1 ) . So ,we have 1+66 or 66+1.

Learn from my posts how I came up with the era : 1878 AD - 2012 AD.

1+66 + 66 + 1 = 1878 AD ... 1879 AD ... 1945 AD ... 2011 AD ... 2012 AD .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

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Validity of 607 BCE date

by stevieb1 in

jw
friends

has anyone on here ever come across the tiniest shred of evidence supporting this date for the fall of jerusalem.

i understand rolf furuli is about to but something out on this subject (see elihubooks.com), however even a table of contents has been a long time in coming from this site.

if no evidence exists what can he possibly be writing about?

OBVES

You simply ignore God's guidance . It is He who gives revelations to his people .Do you understand what is a code ? Like you have codes in the army which to the outsiders may mean nothing real .

"Operation Lion 2225" can mean for instance you will struck drug cartels in Bogota,Colombia on June 22 , 2013 AD .And this meaning is known only the soldiers ,not anyone else .

You can come up with any date you want but God Yahweh wants his true believers to use the date 607 BC .Even if the actual date you may come to may be 528 BC or 777 BC or some other date you can imagine .

Harold Camping came up with the date for the Flood of Noah 4990 BC and he proved that from the Bible and science . And yet God wants us to use 2372 BC for the year of the Flood of Noah ! Time difference is 2618 years apart ! Yet we must use this date 2372 BC and adding 7 times as 2520 years we get 149 AD.

29 AD - 149 AD = 120 years = 2492 BC - 2372 BC .

You may come using the scientific books that the Flood of Noah did not take place or it could take place 200 000 years ago and yet God wants us to use the date 2372 BC .

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Validity of 607 BCE date

by stevieb1 in

jw
friends

has anyone on here ever come across the tiniest shred of evidence supporting this date for the fall of jerusalem.

i understand rolf furuli is about to but something out on this subject (see elihubooks.com), however even a table of contents has been a long time in coming from this site.

if no evidence exists what can he possibly be writing about?

OBVES

You simply ignore God's guidance . It is He who gives revelations to his people .Do you understand what is a code ? Like you have codes in the army which to the outsiders may mean nothing real .

"Operation Lion 2225" can mean for instance you will struck drug cartels in Bogota,Colombia on June 22 , 2013 AD .And this meaning is known only the soldiers ,not anyone else .

You can come up with any date you want but God Yahweh wants his true believers to use the date 607 BC .Even if the actual date you may come to may be 528 BC or 777 BC or some other date you can imagine .

Harold Camping came up with the date for the Flood of Noah 4990 BC and he proved that from the Bible and science . And yet God wants us to use 2372 BC for the year of the Flood of Noah ! Time difference is 2618 years apart ! Yet we must use this date 2372 BC and adding 7 times as 2520 years we get 149 AD.

29 AD - 149 AD = 120 years = 2492 BC - 2372 BC .

You may come using the scientific books that the Flood of Noah did not take place or it could take place 200 000 years ago and yet God wants us to use the date 2372 BC .

Harold Camping who worked hard on biblical chronology came up with the date 1447 BC when Israel left Egypt .But the date God wants us to use is 1513 BC .And it is interesting the time gap between these two dates is 66 years which is the exact number of the books each Bible should have .

Camping has the year 4990 BC for the Flood of Noah which is exactly 980 years from the year 4010 BC when Adam comitted a sin .

980 years is 2 times 70 weeks of years ( 490 years ) .

http://www.familyradio.com to look for the biblical chronology .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com for 66 books of the Bible as 66 years .

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

607 BC - 587 BC = 1914 AD - 1934 AD .

607 BC - 537 BC = 1914 AD - 1984 AD.

587 BC - 517 BC = 1934 AD - 2004 AD.

587 BC ... 5 + 8 + 7 . 517 BC ... 5 + 1 + 7 .

1984 AD + 7 years = 1991 AD + 8 years = 1999 AD + 5 years = 2004 AD.

1991 AD + 7 years = 1998 AD + 1 year = 1999 AD + 5 years = 2004 AD.

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Egyptian Religion VS YAHWEH (The Baby Killer)

by NomadSoul in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/infanticide#ancient_egypt.

in egyptian households, at all social levels, children of both sexes were valued and there is no evidence of infanticide.

[14] the religion of the ancient egyptians forbade infanticide and during the greco-roman period they rescued abandoned babies from manure heaps, a common method of infanticide by greeks or romans, and were allowed to either adopt them as foundlings or raise them as slaves, often giving them names such as "copro -" to memorialise their rescue.

OBVES

You learn from the Bible and true christian servants who is God Yahweh not from Egyptian mithology or other writings of this nature.

God Yahweh is not a man ! He is filling up the whole universe and the food you eat and enjoy any form of living is thanks to Him.

You have not the slighest idea who is God Yahweh the Bible is speaking about.

Every raindrop you see is God's work and He knows each one and directs it .