Just an idea: Could we contact members of the GB thru email...or even snail mail, to let them know how many of us are aware of what is on the horizon in Australia with the WWC/Unthank/Victoria Court case with hopes of urging them to come clean. If I were amongst the GB members, I would be losing sleep after watching whats happening to Penn States Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky and McQeary for taking part in the pedophilia scandal cover-up and the responsibility they did not fulfill in contacting the the police to handle the situation instead of handing it of to their next-up superior. I doubt the GB would be so honest as to take any action, but it would be interesting to test the idea.......make them squirm, perhaps. I am supposing that because there is an affiliation between the WTB&TS of Pensylvania and the WTB&TS of Australia that legal and moral resposibilities would tie them in to the case at some point. I'd appreciate all comments.
mauiboy
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Who knows GB email adresses?
by mauiboy injust an idea: could we contact members of the gb thru email...or even snail mail, to let them know how many of us are aware of what is on the horizon in australia with the wwc/unthank/victoria court case with hopes of urging them to come clean.
if i were amongst the gb members, i would be losing sleep after watching whats happening to penn states joe paterno, jerry sandusky and mcqeary for taking part in the pedophilia scandal cover-up and the responsibility they did not fulfill in contacting the the police to handle the situation instead of handing it of to their next-up superior.
i doubt the gb would be so honest as to take any action, but it would be interesting to test the idea.......make them squirm, perhaps.
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How long can one continue as an unbelieving JW?
by mankkeli inis it really possible to continue as a jw but not believing in it anymore.
for how long can one keep up with this pace of life?.
i will appreciate it if any scientific study had been done on this and what has the result showed?..
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Iamwhoiam.....Your comments worry me...I was there for 'way too long. Be careful. Be kind to yourself. Don't let depression take you down. The world is a beautiful place.....find your way into it before you find yourself in a place you can't return from. Best wishes to you. My heart cries for your peace and tranquility......I know your pain.
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How long can one continue as an unbelieving JW?
by mankkeli inis it really possible to continue as a jw but not believing in it anymore.
for how long can one keep up with this pace of life?.
i will appreciate it if any scientific study had been done on this and what has the result showed?..
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I was raised a dub from the age of 4 or 5. I became an M.S. at about 22 then an elder a few years later. My 1st doubts came to me at about 15, but what can one do at that age? For me : nothing. I found myself contemplating suicide off and on again for about 25 years.....keeping up the front as an E and serving as B.S. conductor, TMS overseer, doing hour talks (as they were back then), sitting on judicial committees,....the whole shebang. I finally moved away from the area and found a place where very few knew me. I refused to be appointed elder, and eventually quit turning in time slips, then going in service, then giving TMS talks, then step-by-step just faded away until I made the final break and told my wife "I'm done". My depressive episode stopped, I got off all anti-depressants (including lithium---harsh stuff--). When I crossed paths w/my shrink one day I told him the religion was gone and w/ it the depression; which by now had lasted over 40 years. I no longer think that 'if i die today, it'll be OK'. I no longer live on the edge of the swirling deep purple cosmos in my head and heart that is depression. Even tho it has taken nearly 4 years for my wife to find a way to accept this change --and it put us thru hell-- I have never thought of making an attempt to go back to the pit of the depths they call the Kingdom Hall.I have no friends now....lots of acquaintances; no social life......I have no idea how to behave around normal people;......I'm retired and spend time volunteering at an old folks home (where my dad is; he's 97).....and I'm quite content with the peace inside of me from day-to-day, even without those things I have lost.I can pray to Jehovah God with a clear, unhypocritical conscience. I pray to Jesus and confess my weaknesses and faults, and have a true appreciation for what his sacrfice means for me....not because I'm told what it means by someone else, but how my perception of it has become so much more accute, and my realization of how direly I need it. To anyone thinking of leaving I reccomend searching yourself for the answer to 'why?', then do what you must do---stay or leave, but never give up your relationship with Jehovah God and his son Jesus. Feel free to give up your relationship with Jehovahs Witnesses if your heart tells you to.
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Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!
by AndersonsInfo inthis is a preliminary summary only.
i hope to obtain more details later.. .
all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.
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From the start of this post until now seems like an eternity. I'm very anxious for Nov. 8th to reveal itself. On the other hand I dread the fact that it will probably mean an extesion of the process, as I know the wheels of justice turn slowly....either way it goes. Anyone else feeling a little anxious??
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Went from a slow fade to a fairly quick exit after about 30 years of 'the-mind-and-the-heart-don't-agree'-induced depression. considered suicide several times, but found reasons not to go ahead with that. Finally, after one especially severe episode with depression, I just came home and said "I'm done". Had visited a shrink for several years, run the gammut on anti-depressants and drugs, and finally realized it was that my heart couldn't accept all the BS "truth' that I was gagging on for most of my life.....4 years later, depression has not resurfaced to any serious degree, my wife of 40-plus years has finally gotten used to the fact that I really am done with the 'dubs', and I have an inner contentment I very much treasure. Examine your life and self carefully, don't jump into anything. Remember that a bell can't be un-rung, if you take a step, usually it cannot be undone. Having said that, I wish you the best.
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Hi! Sorry I missed your comment Miss Aloha, but in answer to your questions: everything that is accepted as 'study' answers at any meeting....from TMS,service meeting, book study, WT, even mtgs for field service are all in the printed material from which the discussion is taking place. If you care to go beyond what is stated in that literature, it may or may not be appreciated by the conductor. Long time conductors (as I was) often get so bored that presiding over the meeting is rote. If a conductor can rouse himself from the mind-numbing repitition that comes after a few years, he may actually appreciate comments from beyond the material at hand. Others are dyed-in-the-wool-party-line people who go into caniption fits if someone makes a comment other than the assigned material. It really quite individual. Miss Aloha, yes, I am from Maui. Left the organization about 4 years ago to the dismay of my family after having been a 'dub' for well over 45 yrs, and an elder/ms for longer than I care to think about. I've done pretty much all the duties an elder can do: funerals, public talks, conducting meetings, sitting on judicial committees, df'ing people (to whom I ask forgiveness for my upsetting your life), and whatever else comes to mind that a well-reputed elder or ministerial servant can do. I'd like to post a bit of a biograhy, but being technologically challenged I haven't figured out how to do that yet. If anyone knows and cares to educate me thru a PM, it would be appreciated. Many alohas to all on the forum. So far it seems to be an excellent group. Miss Aloha feel free to PM me if you want to chit-chat a bit.
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How important is or will be the WWC case? too good to be true?
by Aussie Oz inhow important is it now and how important will it be?.
i think of some of the cases in history that the wt has fought.... the 40s and 50s were spent defending the right to preach.
ok pretty important gains for everyone in freedom of speech etc.
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Perhaps what happens to the WTB&TS and their vigorous preaching campaigns and efforts at recruiting converts will be determined by locales. As this issue becomes more widely known (I intend to do my part, having forwarded this link to many people, and passed out prints of the charges etc. to many folks I know), I would not be surprised to see statutes and ordinances passed that would require JW's w/in that area to submit to WWC-type I.D.'s. If I had children and knew of the situation currently being unveiled in Victoria, I certainly would not want men or women affiliated with a pedophile-covering organization canvassing my neighborhood.
The end-game may be beyond our ability to speculate. But it sure as the dickens is fascinating to watch. Looking forward to Nov. 9th with high hopes of detailed and accurate reports of the previous court-day being posted. Many thanks to Steven Unthank for everything. Barbra Anderson also: Thank You so much. Also appreciation to Aussie Oz; please keep us posted if you are able to go. Too bad there is not internet-TV link. This case is extremely important, as it has the potential to touch JW's and non-JW's deeply around the world; with the goal of protecting children from lurking pedophiles -- be they 'Dubs' or not.
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Media notification?
by mauiboy ini would love to see the wtb&ts/ wwc case in victoria austrailia come to national or even international media attention.
i plan on finding as many media sites 'contact us' as i can in the next few days.
if enough of us email/phone/written bltz hit the tv and newspaper media asking for coverage of the story as it unfolds in the coming months, maybe someone will pick it up... anyone up for sending some emails?
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I agree completely....what I have in mind is trying to rally the troops and gain some volunteers who are willing to participate. I have accumulated email addresses and 'contact us' information for major news media. I was thinking about posting them in about 10-14 days with hopes of having some committed minds ready to send of any available press releases or at least requests for coverage. Please continue to give me your thoughts......Thanks.
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Media notification?
by mauiboy ini would love to see the wtb&ts/ wwc case in victoria austrailia come to national or even international media attention.
i plan on finding as many media sites 'contact us' as i can in the next few days.
if enough of us email/phone/written bltz hit the tv and newspaper media asking for coverage of the story as it unfolds in the coming months, maybe someone will pick it up... anyone up for sending some emails?
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I would love to see the WTB&TS/ WWC case in Victoria Austrailia come to national or even international media attention. I plan on finding as many media sites 'contact us' as I can in the next few days. If enough of us email/phone/written bltz hit the TV and newspaper media asking for coverage of the story as it unfolds in the coming months, maybe someone will pick it up... Anyone up for sending some emails? I will try to post all the contact points in a 'new topic' here within the next few days. If the media is made aware of a substantial audience interested in this story they may pick up on it. Any other ideas??
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Hi, can't help ypu with rules and regulations, but as a former WT study conductor I can tell you that the answers are just whats in the magazine. Rarely does anyone think deep enough to add any additional comments worth hearing. If there are such comments they are often gleaned from other, older WTB&TS publications....heaven forbid anyone speak (or even have) an original thought. I'd love to PM you but haven't the faintest idea of how to....I searched the members list for your name but it isn't there yet. What island are you on?