For some people going back is the only thing to do. For others, it would lead to disaster....for myself I truly belive the only reason I didn't end my life was becasue I finally (after 40 years)realized the cause of my depression wasn't 'chemical imbalance'.....it was heart/mind imbalance. My heart could not believe; even tho my mind said 'just do this...it's 'the truth'. From what you have said, your sound reasoning and willingness to look to the Bible's principles to guide your decsion-making; I'd have to say you've made the right choice. Stick to it. Best wishes for the difficulties you may face ahead. I wish you the same peace and happiness I have found.
mauiboy
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Should I Return?
by Darth Rutherford inwe all are at different stages in our journey from the watchtower organization.
some of us have been free for years, and some of us are at that moment of initial discovery.
as for me, though i began to conscientiously fade just a few months ago, my discovery actually began years ago - even while serving as an elder.. i have no illusions that this journey will be easy.
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Who knows GB email adresses?
by mauiboy injust an idea: could we contact members of the gb thru email...or even snail mail, to let them know how many of us are aware of what is on the horizon in australia with the wwc/unthank/victoria court case with hopes of urging them to come clean.
if i were amongst the gb members, i would be losing sleep after watching whats happening to penn states joe paterno, jerry sandusky and mcqeary for taking part in the pedophilia scandal cover-up and the responsibility they did not fulfill in contacting the the police to handle the situation instead of handing it of to their next-up superior.
i doubt the gb would be so honest as to take any action, but it would be interesting to test the idea.......make them squirm, perhaps.
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mauiboy
Yes, well.....someone reads something. I sent a letter about 6 months ago asking if the UN/JW NGO situation was in fact true. I got no written reply, but they sent 2 elders (and I use the term loosely) from the congregation I used to be part of to visit me. They had a letter from the society which I wasn't allowed to see, no possiblity of a photocopy, and they would not even read it to me. I asked why. Their response was "Obviously, this isn't the kind of thing we'd want showing up on the internet". ---Geeeez guys, doesn't that in and of itself tell you something???--- Anyways, I'm still contemplating something but have also acquired some phone #'s (tho I haven't tried them out yet). They are 1-718-560-5000 or 1-845-306-1000 and ask for the legal dept. I suppose my Q to them would be to ask for verification or denial about the Victoria Australia WWC case and if the GB has been charged with criminal offenses.
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"The 'Borg'
by mauiboy ini have read the phrase "the borg" over and over again....what is it's real meaning?
still a newbie here.
this is the 1st site i've joined since i left about 4 years ago, so i'm still picking up on the lingo.......
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Wow!! That was more fun than I've had in quite a while. Obviously I'm not a 'Trekie'. Thank you for the whole multi-faceted explanation.....I kind of suspected the 'B'rooklyn 'ORG'anization thing, but Star Trek? .....not in a millenium. Many Mahalos from an island ignoramous, well sort of......
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"The 'Borg'
by mauiboy ini have read the phrase "the borg" over and over again....what is it's real meaning?
still a newbie here.
this is the 1st site i've joined since i left about 4 years ago, so i'm still picking up on the lingo.......
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I have read the phrase "the Borg" over and over again....What is it's real meaning? Still a newbie here. This is the 1st site I've joined since I left about 4 years ago, so I'm still picking up on the lingo......
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February 15 2012 WT on jw.org
by Gayle inscanned very quickly,, don't think i noticed anything about "apostates," there.
i am thinking, was there anything in the jan 15 wt about apostates either??
what a disappointment!
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Hi Gayle, not sure what you're looking for concerning comments regarding "apostates"; but if you're looking for the one about being "mentally diseased" I think you should check the July 15th-- page 16-- para 6 'study' issue not available to the general public. A side note: I have been encouraging my friends to ask the Jdubs for the study issue when their home is knocked on with the comment that they want to know 'the real, cultish truth about what is taught, not the public, more acceptable, watered down, introductory version'.
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Who knows GB email adresses?
by mauiboy injust an idea: could we contact members of the gb thru email...or even snail mail, to let them know how many of us are aware of what is on the horizon in australia with the wwc/unthank/victoria court case with hopes of urging them to come clean.
if i were amongst the gb members, i would be losing sleep after watching whats happening to penn states joe paterno, jerry sandusky and mcqeary for taking part in the pedophilia scandal cover-up and the responsibility they did not fulfill in contacting the the police to handle the situation instead of handing it of to their next-up superior.
i doubt the gb would be so honest as to take any action, but it would be interesting to test the idea.......make them squirm, perhaps.
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Just an idea: Could we contact members of the GB thru email...or even snail mail, to let them know how many of us are aware of what is on the horizon in Australia with the WWC/Unthank/Victoria Court case with hopes of urging them to come clean. If I were amongst the GB members, I would be losing sleep after watching whats happening to Penn States Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky and McQeary for taking part in the pedophilia scandal cover-up and the responsibility they did not fulfill in contacting the the police to handle the situation instead of handing it of to their next-up superior. I doubt the GB would be so honest as to take any action, but it would be interesting to test the idea.......make them squirm, perhaps. I am supposing that because there is an affiliation between the WTB&TS of Pensylvania and the WTB&TS of Australia that legal and moral resposibilities would tie them in to the case at some point. I'd appreciate all comments.
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How long can one continue as an unbelieving JW?
by mankkeli inis it really possible to continue as a jw but not believing in it anymore.
for how long can one keep up with this pace of life?.
i will appreciate it if any scientific study had been done on this and what has the result showed?..
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Iamwhoiam.....Your comments worry me...I was there for 'way too long. Be careful. Be kind to yourself. Don't let depression take you down. The world is a beautiful place.....find your way into it before you find yourself in a place you can't return from. Best wishes to you. My heart cries for your peace and tranquility......I know your pain.
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How long can one continue as an unbelieving JW?
by mankkeli inis it really possible to continue as a jw but not believing in it anymore.
for how long can one keep up with this pace of life?.
i will appreciate it if any scientific study had been done on this and what has the result showed?..
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mauiboy
I was raised a dub from the age of 4 or 5. I became an M.S. at about 22 then an elder a few years later. My 1st doubts came to me at about 15, but what can one do at that age? For me : nothing. I found myself contemplating suicide off and on again for about 25 years.....keeping up the front as an E and serving as B.S. conductor, TMS overseer, doing hour talks (as they were back then), sitting on judicial committees,....the whole shebang. I finally moved away from the area and found a place where very few knew me. I refused to be appointed elder, and eventually quit turning in time slips, then going in service, then giving TMS talks, then step-by-step just faded away until I made the final break and told my wife "I'm done". My depressive episode stopped, I got off all anti-depressants (including lithium---harsh stuff--). When I crossed paths w/my shrink one day I told him the religion was gone and w/ it the depression; which by now had lasted over 40 years. I no longer think that 'if i die today, it'll be OK'. I no longer live on the edge of the swirling deep purple cosmos in my head and heart that is depression. Even tho it has taken nearly 4 years for my wife to find a way to accept this change --and it put us thru hell-- I have never thought of making an attempt to go back to the pit of the depths they call the Kingdom Hall.I have no friends now....lots of acquaintances; no social life......I have no idea how to behave around normal people;......I'm retired and spend time volunteering at an old folks home (where my dad is; he's 97).....and I'm quite content with the peace inside of me from day-to-day, even without those things I have lost.I can pray to Jehovah God with a clear, unhypocritical conscience. I pray to Jesus and confess my weaknesses and faults, and have a true appreciation for what his sacrfice means for me....not because I'm told what it means by someone else, but how my perception of it has become so much more accute, and my realization of how direly I need it. To anyone thinking of leaving I reccomend searching yourself for the answer to 'why?', then do what you must do---stay or leave, but never give up your relationship with Jehovah God and his son Jesus. Feel free to give up your relationship with Jehovahs Witnesses if your heart tells you to.
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Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!
by AndersonsInfo inthis is a preliminary summary only.
i hope to obtain more details later.. .
all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.
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From the start of this post until now seems like an eternity. I'm very anxious for Nov. 8th to reveal itself. On the other hand I dread the fact that it will probably mean an extesion of the process, as I know the wheels of justice turn slowly....either way it goes. Anyone else feeling a little anxious??
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Went from a slow fade to a fairly quick exit after about 30 years of 'the-mind-and-the-heart-don't-agree'-induced depression. considered suicide several times, but found reasons not to go ahead with that. Finally, after one especially severe episode with depression, I just came home and said "I'm done". Had visited a shrink for several years, run the gammut on anti-depressants and drugs, and finally realized it was that my heart couldn't accept all the BS "truth' that I was gagging on for most of my life.....4 years later, depression has not resurfaced to any serious degree, my wife of 40-plus years has finally gotten used to the fact that I really am done with the 'dubs', and I have an inner contentment I very much treasure. Examine your life and self carefully, don't jump into anything. Remember that a bell can't be un-rung, if you take a step, usually it cannot be undone. Having said that, I wish you the best.