Ok, we are being ruthless let say something positive. I don't want them saying we just come here to make fun of them. Let see?...Hmm Oh.... The shackles are stylish and practically invisible, you hardly know you're wearing them?
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MarkofCane
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WT should admit that 1914
by bobld inwas a man made date when jesus came and that a generation is not 102 plus years.. why not say something like this.when the disciples asked jesus for a sign and the end of the age.jesus gave them a composite sign and said all these things will take place.when-before the people now living(at the end of the age which no one knows)have all died..
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WT should admit that 1914
by bobld inwas a man made date when jesus came and that a generation is not 102 plus years.. why not say something like this.when the disciples asked jesus for a sign and the end of the age.jesus gave them a composite sign and said all these things will take place.when-before the people now living(at the end of the age which no one knows)have all died..
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MarkofCane
If they came clean it would be like the 'guards giving the prisoners the keys to the asylum and letting them free'.
They have to many projects and lawsuits going to remove the shackles from there captives, does not make good business sense. You do know it's a business don't you?
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What Is The Watchtower's Biggest Problem?
by minimus inthe organization has many problems.
certain doctrines are problematic.
the men who run the organizaion have issues.
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MarkofCane
1) Number one has to be Internet (Google's killing them)
2) Education / science, We can now explain what was at one time attributed to gods wrath: Lightning, earthquakes, solar eclipse, etc.
3) WT History (Lies, lies and more lies, throw in some failed prophecy's and you have a cult.)
4) Lawsuits (money & bad publicity)
5) JW.Broadcast; What an embarrassment, now everyone knows we are crazy. Thanks AM3
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Toasting is Pagan - How many contradictions can fit in 2 pages, I found 5?
by jwfacts inthe watchtower 2007 feb 15 pp.30-31 explains why jehovah's witnesses are not to toast.
what is astounding is that for each point they then go on an explain why the point is irrelevant, yet still conclude toasting is wrong.
what did people think when reading this?
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MarkofCane
JW.org is toast.....I will toast to that. Cheers -
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Caption This Photo From The January Study Edition
by JW_Rogue inso as some are probably aware the january study edition has two articles on the anointed.
one basically discouraging people from believing they are anointed and another about how ones should view partakers.
this photo is from the second article:.
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MarkofCane
Who wants to join a religion where they admit to having thousands of questionable members on record?
Would you let you or your family or your children associate in a group with thousands of mentally unstable ones?
You nailed it David_Jay
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This Website Was Mentioned By The Governing Body
by JW_Rogue inokay, so at the "imitate their faith" ca there was a special speaker from the gb.
and he started discussing psalms 1:1 and how we today could "sit in the seat of scoffers".
he then mentioned that many bros. and sisters criticize the org and think they are so smart by researching online.
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MarkofCane
Dear Governing Body members
If you told the truth, I never would of come here! If you were open to real discussion, I would not have to stay here!
If you really cared and taught unconditional love, 'you wouldn't hate us', you would abolish the disfellowshipping and shunning policy, that is unchristian and unloving.You would make your error's known and own up to your mistakes. You would be honest and say "we don't understand where we went wrong with the generation understanding, we apologize".
"We have no idea where we went wrong with the 607/1914 fiasco, we apologize". "We have a major pedophile issue we are trying to correct it, our policy's were wrong, we apologize".
Your own pride and haughtiness apostatized you from the Christ and the truth.
I come here not to ridicule 'you', but to make absolution for the proselytizing and lies I help propagate in your name.
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Thoughts during the meeting today
by stephanie61092 inwhile i'm politely sitting during the meeting today, restraining myself from rolling my eyes as the brother drones on about how "having an independent spirit is devilish in nature" and "independence from gods organization only results in pain and strife", i only have one thought going through my mind over and over.
"what would happen if i pulled out a gun and blew my brains out in this kingdom hall?".
would anyone notice or care?
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MarkofCane
Ya, it sometimes gets to me when go. I sometimes need to get up, go outside and get some fresh air.
I cant believe, I used to sit through this nonsense for so many years and thought nothing of it, even brought my studies in and later asked them so what did you think. Would of been awesome if they would of said that's " total bullshit". Its weird when your in the bubble, its hard to see it for what it is, once your out its blatantly obvious its "total Bullshit".
Take care of yourself and know people do care about you, we all care, we are all going through similar things. "Take heart"
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I lied to the elders
by atacrossroads ini stopped attending meetings all together in january 2015. before that my attendance was irregular at best.
my husband followed suit a few months ago after months of research, agony, and indecision on his part.
from the very beginning i laid low and did not share with anyone what i found out about the witnesses because i did not want to be df'd.
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Hi atacrossroads
We have all come to these cross roads and have had to make hard decisions, I admire your 'courage' in the face of so much hostility. Its so clear isn't it, that its a cult!
I personally didn't want a confrontation with my aging mother or In laws, they are fanatical to say the least. Every sentence is marinaded with nuances of the 'Cult'. I never really noticed it, until I deprogrammed and took the blinders off, its like they cant express themselves without saying Jehovah, organization, truth or some other trigger word, its very annoying. I played out every scenario in my head and the outcome is just like you described. So I decided on a slow fade, I don't think there is a right or wrong solution just what work for you, in your situation.
Regardless, It seams we lose, no matter what. The cruel words that there was "no point, you are going to die at Armageddon anyways" is really the crux of of the problem. They are so brain washed, they would rather give up their 'now' with you, there future grand kids and life's memories for a illogical future fantasy a utopia contrived by men. These very men that have built an empire on duplicity, their own literature convicts them.
Take your time and say nothing to the Elders, "the only power they have is the power we give them". Strip them of that power and they shrink before your eyes. Welcome to the forum, read some of the 'waking up' experiences and post as much as you like, it therapeutic.
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The Watchtower Corporation's (JWS) extenuating lies .....Why and for what purpose ?
by Finkelstein inupon researching the historical activity of the wts.
it becomes clear that the head editorial writers of this religious publishing house propagated many formative lies or unproven speculations framed within its own bible theological interpretations.. .
going right back to its earliest inception the head writers of the wts proclaimed that christ has returned and that mankind was going occur a dramatic change through this returning establishment of christ, as prophetically told though bible scripture.. the first year devised by the wts of this return was 1874 and through means of using an obscure measurement of the great pyramid of giza 1914 was to be the year of armageddon.. the 6000 years of mankind's existence was used at that time as well ( early 1900's) to support this supposed code cracking, which was used once again in the late 1960's to create 1975 as another year of significance.
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MarkofCane
The org wants everyone to question the origins of customs and beliefs of others, but never questions its own dubious origins!
Well said Stuck
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The Watchtower Corporation's (JWS) extenuating lies .....Why and for what purpose ?
by Finkelstein inupon researching the historical activity of the wts.
it becomes clear that the head editorial writers of this religious publishing house propagated many formative lies or unproven speculations framed within its own bible theological interpretations.. .
going right back to its earliest inception the head writers of the wts proclaimed that christ has returned and that mankind was going occur a dramatic change through this returning establishment of christ, as prophetically told though bible scripture.. the first year devised by the wts of this return was 1874 and through means of using an obscure measurement of the great pyramid of giza 1914 was to be the year of armageddon.. the 6000 years of mankind's existence was used at that time as well ( early 1900's) to support this supposed code cracking, which was used once again in the late 1960's to create 1975 as another year of significance.
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MarkofCane
Great OP Finkelstein
This is the core of the issue, there is no way the 'truth' sprang up from the ashes of lies.
90% of The R&F know nothing of the history of the Borg. Trust me I was clueless, my family is still clueless. If you bring any of this up with the R&F they will view you as someone who has been reading apostate information or has turned apostate and will walk away from you like your Satan himself.
The new one's lurking need to consider this as proof, there is no way this is Gods organization. Russel said it best "Religion is a snare and a racket!"
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