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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Doubter

  Steve2,

  im fine with government inquires, I only care about the basis, or premises, because fairness matters most.

  Personally, I want this one to happen.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Doubter

  Who cares about the RCC right now? They admitted to hiding abuse, and so has the Pope. Their guilt is beyond doubt.

  The jws have no such established guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

  Apples to oranges
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Doubter

  I think when I’m saying is, that when a government wants to investigate you, the expectation is that there is some evidence that facilitates it. There HAS to be, or the investigation is by default illegal.

  So what I am hearing is that they don’t have any evidence, but they want investigate anyway.

  that makes no sense, unless, they merely believe what they are being told yet can’t validate independently.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Doubter

  And your questions are horribly flawed, because you were suggesting that any imperfect organization needs to be investigated by the government.

  are you serious? Don’t we all have rights?
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Doubter

  Anders, you say the jws refuse to acknowledge the have a problem with child abuse in the Netherlands.

  Ok, show me the cases, court rulings, etc.

  ill happily accept it.

  but you admit there is no clear evidence of illegal activity (coverups, which are illegal).

  So the investigation is really based on nothing but the opinions of the govt.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Doubter

  Anders,

  if they “know this”, then why did Dekker make such a ridiculous statement?
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Doubter

  Anders,

  You really don’t know what you’re talking about.

  I did not say the govt asked for no reason, I said the reason was basically illegitimate.

  WT specifically told the foundation, victims are more than willing to come to them for “pastoral support”. You’re complaing about that.

  They don’t care about shutting up opposers. WT cares absolutely nothing about winning the “PR battle”. That much is clear.

  And the govt is absolutely going off pure media reports. That’s undeniable. They have no proof. They never provided any.

  No court in Netherlands has ever found illegal activities as regard child abuse.

  Or have they?
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Doubter

  Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it was Dekker who said that if WT has nothing to hide, they’d open their doors and do an independent investigation.

  He of all people knows that’s nonsense, and standards of evidence and burden of proof doesn’t work that way. He KNOWS this.

  If 300 people accused me of dealing illegal drugs because I am a doctor who writes prescriptions to sick people, that doesn’t mean I’m dealing illegal drugs.

  Therefore, I am under no legal or moral obligation to offer my patient files to a government. Nor do I have to submit to the requests of a government.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Doubter

  Think about this objectively:

  The Netherland govt requested an “independent investigation”. Jws said “no” and the reason is because the actual cases (not mere allegations) of child abuse are too low to justify one. They should know as they take the reports and do their investigations. And the govt up to that time didn’t have any proof.

  If we are to be honest here, the media there completely spinned that resfual into an attempted coverup. The Netherland media has been reporting irresponsibly for months, and have not provided any proof of a coverup. None. Just the 200 and something reports that foundation has taken (reports, mind you, not proven cases of child abuse).

  So what WT is doing is putting the burden off proof (rightfully so) on the govt. If they want to investigate, go right ahead. They have that right.

  Just like the ARC, this process will be negotiated. The WT will not under any circumstances allow privileged information to be made public for ambulance chasing lawyers. They didn’t in America with the Lopez/Padron cases as files were heavily redacted, and they didn’t with the ARC.

  Of course, this is not about child abuse — this is merely an attempt at creating as much negative publicity as possible, but WT is no stranger to that and really don’t worry about it a ton.
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  Judge Orders Jehovah's Witnesses to turn over Internal Documents re: Childhood Sexual Abuse

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://nixlaw.com/news/judge-orders-jehovahs-witnesses-to-turn-over-internal-documents-related-to-childhood-sexual-abuse/.

  judge orders jehovah’s witnesses to turn over internal documents related to childhood sexual abuse.

  april 12, 2018. .

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  Doubter

  I do not think you all are necessarily disagreeing. Watchtower gets what they wanted, the database remains closed and the case out of the media, and the plantiff(s) get their dough.

  Not totally thrilled about that, but it is what it is.