Posts by Doubter

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Dutch Branch office response to the motion accepted by Parliament: "an investigation is shooting with a cannon on a mosquito"

by jochie in

today a large article was published in a dutch newspaper 'dagblad van het noorden'.

it is about frank huiting, the reclaimed voices foundation and the adopted motion in parliament.

the branch office has given a reaction:.

Doubter

Actually, RV is making stuff up. Are the 301 each verified by court/police evidence? When did these alleged abuses happen? Have they proven each case was known by the organization and covered up?

All this matters when you are accusing people.

If they are relying on the organization to release their files so they can have this proof, then they have no proof to begin with. Thats their problem, and their burden.

The JW reply is a good reply, unless the government can prove any of the things alleged by RV.

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Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

Doubter

Nah, one didn’t result in a ruling that the policies were unlawful, and the other wasn’t even a court hearing.

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Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

Doubter

John,

Thanks for the question.

A government can absolutely investigate an organization, if it has a legit basis for it.

Answer this question: what irrefutable independent evidence do you have that jws turned a blind eye to child abuse?

If what you say is true, then outside of an admission, we’d see courts ruling as such.

What court has ruled that way against jw child abuse policies?

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Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

Doubter

Steve2,

im fine with government inquires, I only care about the basis, or premises, because fairness matters most.

Personally, I want this one to happen.

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Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

Doubter

Who cares about the RCC right now? They admitted to hiding abuse, and so has the Pope. Their guilt is beyond doubt.

The jws have no such established guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

Apples to oranges

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Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

Doubter

I think when I’m saying is, that when a government wants to investigate you, the expectation is that there is some evidence that facilitates it. There HAS to be, or the investigation is by default illegal.

So what I am hearing is that they don’t have any evidence, but they want investigate anyway.

that makes no sense, unless, they merely believe what they are being told yet can’t validate independently.

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Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

Doubter

And your questions are horribly flawed, because you were suggesting that any imperfect organization needs to be investigated by the government.

are you serious? Don’t we all have rights?

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Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

Doubter

Anders, you say the jws refuse to acknowledge the have a problem with child abuse in the Netherlands.

Ok, show me the cases, court rulings, etc.

ill happily accept it.

but you admit there is no clear evidence of illegal activity (coverups, which are illegal).

So the investigation is really based on nothing but the opinions of the govt.

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Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

Doubter

Anders,

if they “know this”, then why did Dekker make such a ridiculous statement?

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Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

Doubter

Anders,

You really don’t know what you’re talking about.

I did not say the govt asked for no reason, I said the reason was basically illegitimate.

WT specifically told the foundation, victims are more than willing to come to them for “pastoral support”. You’re complaing about that.

They don’t care about shutting up opposers. WT cares absolutely nothing about winning the “PR battle”. That much is clear.

And the govt is absolutely going off pure media reports. That’s undeniable. They have no proof. They never provided any.

No court in Netherlands has ever found illegal activities as regard child abuse.

Or have they?