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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Anderson,

  Thanks for that reply. The RCC knew they had a problem. Their admissions of failing children and hiding abusers proves they were lying the entire time. So I call bullocks on the idea that they didn’t “think they had a problem” until an inquiry took place. They knew.

  Keep in mind, the RCCs issues are entirely different. The leadership being rife with pedophiles is not the same as regular members abusing children.

  Its one thing for rank and file to have issues, it’s an entirely different thing when those charged with protecting the flock are hiding each other. Abuse goes even unreported to the church itself when that happens.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Anderson.

  How many child abuse cases were there in the Netherlands in the RCC?

  How many child abuse cases were there in the Netherlands in WT?

  Once you answer that, then you’ve answered why jws rejected the suggestion to investigate themselves.

  Jws are forcing Dekker to and co to prove themselves.

  This is exactly what’s needed.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Well, Sanchy, get them into a court room, and testify. Their claims will be analyzed, against the actually written, practiced policies.

  They have a lawyer. Just get it done.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Lol the ARC is/was not a judicial body. It was more or less the Australian version of a US Congressional hearing in which accusations, baseless or otherwise, are tossed about without consequences. They don’t have nearly the standards courts have.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  RV “believes”, as you just said. Just admit that they’re voicing their opinion(s). They are. And always have been.

  Facts are not determined by popular opinion. RV can recruit a thousand people. In our civilized world, facts are determined by the court/legal system
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Sanch,

  Anders comments were clear and can be summed up as:

  RV doesn’t agree with how jws execute their policies.

  Thats fine. That’s their opinion. And that’s basically the gist of their position.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Cow, you missed my point. Note what I said:

  ”In the history of Jws”.

  I was being more than fair to the Catholic Church. I simply used 400 priests from two locations (not the entire worldwide leadership of the Church) and compared that to the entire worldwide history of Jws.

  So basically, you have 239 branch office areas, spanning 140 years with jws, compared with roughly 50 years, and an relative handful of Archdiocese, in only 2 locations with the Catholics.

  So there are more pedo priests in Philly ALONE than there have ever been elders, Co’s Do’s in the 140 year world wide history of jws.

  And still, the comparisons aren’t even close. So I understand why this upsets you.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Lol
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  In fact, the Russian ban has been in international news for over a year year now. The Russians never mention child abuse as a reason for the ban.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Now exactly what authorities claims that, in your words, that child abusers can act with “impunity”?
  

  Who said that? Who explicitly recognized this “fact”?

  Now the ARC and IICSA are not authorities. They don’t have the power to make or enforce laws, nor can they prosecute. They offer corrective suggestions.

  So basically an authority would be a court of law, or those who can enforce law.