Personally, I can get behind “decline” (really, depending on the location and the area of decline). A religion can’t grow, even at 1 percent, and simultaneously be in decline.
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JW org collapses
by I Faded Twice inok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.
honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.
to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.
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Is attendance down in your location too?
by StarryNight9 ini was commenting on another thread about how local kh attendance is down.
memorial attendance was also way down and the circuit assembly had hundreds less people than what is typical.
my jw family has even mentioned it.
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Doubter
Well, “personal observations” can be inherently biased when trying to determine a fact.
Really, my local cong average 155 weekly meeting attendance. There are literally no seats at my local Regional ever year.
Doesn’t mean jws are experiencing massive growth. It just means my area has good attendance.
Yours may be different. Who knows?
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JW org collapses
by I Faded Twice inok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.
honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.
to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.
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Doubter
Facts are not determined by popular belief.
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Is attendance down in your location too?
by StarryNight9 ini was commenting on another thread about how local kh attendance is down.
memorial attendance was also way down and the circuit assembly had hundreds less people than what is typical.
my jw family has even mentioned it.
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Doubter
Any citation/proof or are we suppose to just take their word for it?
Rick Fearon had “Johnny” call in and claim only 5 million attended the memorial, I believe, the very next day...
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JW org collapses
by I Faded Twice inok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.
honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.
to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.
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Doubter
lol — whoever down-voted me is missing a very important point. 2015 was 3 years ago, when the “collapse” allegedly began. It’s damn near 2019, and there is no collapse.
I mean, it’s really not that hard to add 2 and 2, unless this will take another “20-30” years to completely fall, as some here have posited before.
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JW org collapses
by I Faded Twice inok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.
honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.
to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.
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Doubter
Sanchy,
I have no desire to change your mind. Believe what you wish. Time will tell.
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JW org collapses
by I Faded Twice inok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.
honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.
to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.
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Doubter
IFT,
I think the problem is people are interpreting their actions based on what they want to happen (collapse) and not in light how organizations operate. So one less dollar spent this year than last year, equals “collapse”. It’s literally how they see it.
So while our economy has rebounded, it certainly isn’t robust. Best to tighten your belts where you can instead of attempting to ride it out.
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JW org collapses
by I Faded Twice inok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.
honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.
to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.
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Doubter
Sanchy,
Actually, WT did not find itself in the red. They never said “operating expenses” were not being covered. They specifically stated “theocratic initiatives” they had planned (building projects, etc) were not being funded as expected.
But then in January 2016 (IIRC) they said the got the needed funding, and in March 2017, they mentioned the Warwick HQ was totally funded by the NY sales, in essence, swapping buildings.
So I believe your information is terribly inaccurate.
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JW org collapses
by I Faded Twice inok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.
honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.
to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.
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Doubter
So now you suggesting that the collapse is just beginning. Well that’s convenient. -
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JW org collapses
by I Faded Twice inok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.
honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.
to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.
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Doubter
Yeah, and he was clearly implying that WT isn’t wealthy, which, of course, is total nonsense.