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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...
by hawkaw inas of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
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MAJOR UN NEWS / WATCHTOWER STATEMENT
by OhHappyDay inplease see my post on the main forum with the same title or take a look at the big un threat.
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OhHappyDay
Please see my Post on the MAIN Forum with the same title or take a look at the big UN threat.
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Answer from WT Netherlands in dutch (original)
by avengers inthis is the original letter i received from the wt branch office in the netherlands.
it's in the dutch language.. i will also submit an english translation.. wachttoren postbank 183765. ing bank 66.43.24.533. bijbel- en traktaatgenootschap.
noordbargerstraat 77 7812 aa emmen nederland .
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OhHappyDay
Compare this answer with the one I posted from another branch.
Are there 2 different truths?
Double New Light??
Happy Day!!
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MAJOR UN NEWS / WATCHTOWER STATEMENT
by OhHappyDay ini've just finnished the translation of a letter sent to a single witness.. since not everyone knows where the big thread is, i also post it here.... (the original is available through kent or randy).
association of jehovas witnesses.
scc 2001 oct., 8th.
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I've just finnished the translation of a letter sent to a single witness.
Since not everyone knows where the big thread is, I also post it here...(the original is available through Kent or Randy)
Association of Jehovas WitnessesSCC 2001 Oct., 8th
Dear Brother:
Some days ago we received your letter in which you tell how worry you feel about something you red on an Online brochure of the United Nations, about the WTBTS of New York. So we are glad to provide some commentaries about that matter.
Just at the beginning we want you to know that we apreciate your feelings about this matter and that you want to see Jehovahs name and the name of his earthly organization clean and holy.
While answering your question we would like to quote something wich is said in that brochure about what it means to be an NGO. In the brochure we can read the following:
“What is an NGO? A non-governmental organization (NGO) is any non-profit, voluntary citizens’ group wich is organized on a local, national or international level. …NGO’s perform a variety of services and humanitarian functions, bring citizen’s concerns to Governments. …Some are organized around specific issues, such as human rights, the environment or health. Their relationship with offices and agencies of the United Nations System differs depending on their goals, their venue and their mandate.”
As mentioned above, the goals of the NGO’s registered with the DPI differ. Some of them are registerd as Human Rights Organizations, as it happens with the WTBTS of NY. (If you take a look, the Society is listed as an NGO wich defends Human Rights). However, that doesn’t mean that it [the Society] has nonbiblical links with the UN. As told above, the kind of relationship the NGO’s have with the offices and agencies of the UN differ from one organization to another, depending of their own goals.
So, to make it easy to understand, what happens is that since the Society wants to defend the rights of our brothers in countries where their human rights are violated, sending them medical care, food and other kind of assistance (as it happened in Ruanda and in many other countries and most recently in Georgia, where our brothers are without the most elementary human rights). For this it is necessary that the Society is registered at the UN as a Human Rights Organization.This is the only way to help our brothers, many times doing this while asking for meetings with highly positioned members of governments, embassadors and so on. However this does not mean that the Society is in any way involved politically with th UN or giving support to their political decisions. No! Jehovahs people continues to keep itself politically neutral. We are just using a right wich was given to us with the goal to –as Paul said- “go on leading a calm and quiet life wth full godly devotion and seriousness.” (1st Thimothy 2:1,2)
In biblical times the apostel Paul used his citizenship (a right given to him by the state without demanding a political involvement in state affairs) as an argument to get a trial in the highest courts in the country giving a good testimony that way. (Acts 25:11) In the same way the WTBTS of NY is making use of a position wich the UN gives to several non governmental organizations without going against his christian neutrality. Doing this, the Organization is able to ‘defend and legally establish the good news’- Fil. 1:7.
A similar thing happens, as an example, with the unions. A christian could, if he wished so, be associated with a union, wich would defend his rights as a worker, and he would pay his fee to the union getting benefits in case that the union would defend his rights if they would be violated. However, even if the christian could recive certain benefits while being associated with a union, he would not involve himself in the union activities, nor would he accept any position in the union and he would not involve himself in any political activity wich would violate his well trained biblical conscience. The same rule applies to this matter you asked about. The brothers are just using a right given to them by the UN when they got registered as a NGO defending Human Rights. So they can better assist the interests of our brothers and take care that their voice is heard in the highest levels of governments (as Paul did) without at any time being involved or giving any kind of support to the “biest” of Revelation.
So we apreciate your feelings but you can be assured that the WTBTS of NY is keeping his strict neutrality in political questions, while not getting involved with anything wich is non biblical nor giving any support to the “biest”.
We hope that this information will be helpful for you, brother, and that it may have cleared evreything about this matter wich made you feel worry. Without any other issue at this time we close this letter and use the oportunity to send you our christian love.
Your brothers,
Association of Jehovahs Witnesses
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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...
by hawkaw inas of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
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Translation of an official Watchtower answer written to a single witness:
(the original will be available through Kent or Randy)Association of Jehovas Witnesses
SCC 2001 Oct., 8th
Dear Brother:
Some days ago we received your letter in which you tell how worry you feel about something you red on an Online brochure of the United Nations, about the WTBTS of New York. So we are glad to provide some commentaries about that matter.
Just at the beginning we want you to know that we apreciate your feelings about this matter and that you want to see Jehovahs name and the name of his earthly organization clean and holy.
While answering your question we would like to quote something wich is said in that brochure about what it means to be an NGO. In the brochure we can read the following:
“What is an NGO? A non-governmental organization (NGO) is any non-profit, voluntary citizens’ group wich is organized on a local, national or international level. …NGO’s perform a variety of services and humanitarian functions, bring citizen’s concerns to Governments. …Some are organized around specific issues, such as human rights, the environment or health. Their relationship with offices and agencies of the United Nations System differs depending on their goals, their venue and their mandate.”
As mentioned above, the goals of the NGO’s registered with the DPI differ. Some of them are registerd as Human Rights Organizations, as it happens with the WTBTS of NY. (If you take a look, the Society is listed as an NGO wich defends Human Rights). However, that doesn’t mean that it [the Society] has nonbiblical links with the UN. As told above, the kind of relationship the NGO’s have with the offices and agencies of the UN differ from one organization to another, depending of their own goals.
So, to make it easy to understand, what happens is that since the Society wants to defend the rights of our brothers in countries where their human rights are violated, sending them medical care, food and other kind of assistance (as it happened in Ruanda and in many other countries and most recently in Georgia, where our brothers are without the most elementary human rights). For this it is necessary that the Society is registered at the UN as a Human Rights Organization.This is the only way to help our brothers, many times doing this while asking for meetings with highly positioned members of governments, embassadors and so on. However this does not mean that the Society is in any way involved politically with th UN or giving support to their political decisions. No! Jehovahs people continues to keep itself politically neutral. We are just using a right wich was given to us with the goal to –as Paul said- “go on leading a calm and quiet life wth full godly devotion and seriousness.” (1st Thimothy 2:1,2)
In biblical times the apostel Paul used his citizenship (a right given to him by the state without demanding a political involvement in state affairs) as an argument to get a trial in the highest courts in the country giving a good testimony that way. (Acts 25:11) In the same way the WTBTS of NY is making use of a position wich the UN gives to several non governmental organizations without going against his christian neutrality. Doing this, the Organization is able to ‘defend and legally establish the good news’- Fil. 1:7.
A similar thing happens, as an example, with the unions. A christian could, if he wished so, be associated with a union, wich would defend his rights as a worker, and he would pay his fee to the union getting benefits in case that the union would defend his rights if they would be violated. However, even if the christian could recive certain benefits while being associated with a union, he would not involve himself in the union activities, nor would he accept any position in the union and he would not involve himself in any political activity wich would violate his well trained biblical conscience. The same rule applies to this matter you asked about. The brothers are just using a right given to them by the UN when they got registered as a NGO defending Human Rights. So they can better assist the interests of our brothers and take care that their voice is heard in the highest levels of governments (as Paul did) without at any time being involved or giving any kind of support to the “biest” of Revelation.
So we apreciate your feelings but you can be assured that the WTBTS of NY is keeping his strict neutrality in political questions, while not getting involved with anything wich is non biblical nor giving any support to the “biest”.
We hope that this information will be helpful for you, brother, and that it may have cleared evreything about this matter wich made you feel worry. Without any other issue at this time we close this letter and use the oportunity to send you our christian love.
Your brothers,
Association of Jehovahs Witnesses
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PUBLIC AFFAIRS DEPT. RESPONSE TO UN ASSOCIATION
by lookin ini personally spoke to a brother who works in public affairs dept @ headquarters.
the dept was formed back in 1991-92 to help with media events worldwide.. at that time, the idea was to have access to current worldwide information.
this would allow brothers to assist and have a better grasp on worlwide situations.. however- many many in the group did not agree that this association should take place!!
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lookin,
please be so kind and answer to my reply to your posts on the big thread. I posted a question for you there, yesterday.Concerning this statement from the WTBTS:
What else is new?
When they stated at the 1974 yb that the letter handed out to A. Hitler before WW II was not written by Br Rutherford but by Br Balzereit, the Branch Overseer, they wanted the witnesses to believe that someone CHANGED the original words from the Society and his President. And this poor, guilty someone was Paul Balzereit (sounds like Oswald who apparently shot Kennedy...).
Problem is: The letter wich he "has changed" and wich tries to make friendship with Hitler, was fully printed at the american 1934 yb. And it was certainly impossible for the german Balzereit to CHANGE WHAT THE PRESSES WERE DOING IN BROOKLYN. So the letter REALLY was written by Rutherford!!!
Why all those lies????? Readm the Watchtower of 1989, 15th Febr. about talking always the truth as christian...
But as a result of that Lie-Campaign the guilty guy was Balzereit. He wanted to go back to Bethel after the WW II and traidors like Frost (who later was deposed as Branch Overseer AFTER german newspapers exposed him as a traidor in the sixtiees) put him on the street.
Decades of lies to the german bros.
And finally a Awake Magazin in 1995 admits that APARENTLY br. Balzereit wasn't GUILTY AT ALL!!
But now the poor one was dead and lived shunned for decades!!!!
And that Awake artikel was written AFTER James Penton exposed this facts....!
So the WTBTS always reacts in Damage Control. Truth about several things IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT, my friend.
Who runs the Society yet??
"Apostates" like those on this board??
It seems so, since the Society MOVES HIS A... always little time AFTER another bad smelling secret was exposed.
Please do a little research before coming to this board and discuss with everyone here at a more serious and honest level.
At least this is something we owe our Father and our Brothers!!!!
Happy Day!!
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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...
by hawkaw inas of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
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to lookin and wannahelp,
you were discussing IF the letter hawk posted is real or not.
1st I dont believe Kent would post a fake unless someone fooled him
2nd I don't see any reason why the content of the letter is NOT the way the WTBTS argues.
Why?
Part of the letter was sent to 3 individual bros in 3 diferent countries. If read them and they state all the same, copied and translated from the letter lookin does not take for real.
But those 3 letters were written on official watchtower branch stationary, and I saw 2 personally.
So the Key Message and even the WORDS are the same, even if the version mailed to the publishers were not that extensive.
What are your credentials, lookin?
What evidences can you show for us to doubt that letter?Happy Day!!
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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...
by hawkaw inas of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
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OhHappyDay
I do have news.
Even if it may seem not up to date, finally I will be able to publish a letter from the WTBTS wich is in clear contradiction to the library defense. So it belongs to the "former" statements the actuall Watchtower Letter published on this board, mentions.
So there will be 2 written "truths" about the same stuff wich are in clearely contradiction and are written on Watchtower Stationary.
Within the next 24 hours you'll get it!!
Happy Day!!
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DA'd myself today
by Pierced Angel inwell, i did it.. it's official and i'm relieved.. the elders wanted to try talking to me once again, but after awhile it was obvious that they were only interested in changing my thoughts not answering any questions.
so, i just calmly asked if i could disassociate myself.
they acted stunned and they got tears in their eyes, but i told them that i had already grieved and was ready to move on with life.
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Anne, you were brave. Keep that way.
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Study reveals alarming death rate among JW women!
by Lee Elder inthursday november 8 5:32 pm et.
childbirth death risk high in.
jehovah's witnesses.
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OhHappyDay
Thank U lee, we will translate it and send it out to the press.
Thank U chasson for the french translation, too.