Posts by OlderTom

it is to be distributed to newly interested ones and to those in the medical profession it has been especially prepared for the non-witness viewing public.

OlderTom

I think our Watchtower clone "mesenger" missed the point.

It was never an issue that surgery without blood is the preferred method However the point is.

The bible teaches we should not EAT blood. We all agree there.

The bible does NOT preach against blood transfusions. The Society does.

The bible does not preach what parts of blood are permitted and which parts are not. The Society does.

Please feel free to proof me wrong Quoting the bible NOT a Watchtower.

The point is The Society teaches things which are NOT in the bible. We should all know what the bible sais about those who add to or take away from what the bible says. Revelation 20 I believe.

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YoungerTom is lidgit.

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we have a new poster on the board he posts as youngertom.

i know him personnaly.

he's fairdinkum.. i just converted him from lurker to poster.

OlderTom

He hasn't burned any books yet but I stated a study with him in the Crisis of Concience book.

Easy does it.

Next step will be babtism by BBQ.

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The eventuality of man is the same as animals

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was it ezicle who said the eventuality of man is the same as for the animal, as one dies so does the other.

or something like that.. man has to die because he sinned, that's the price one has to pay.

what sins have animals committed?

OlderTom

Hi Gopher

You said
>Gopher The main point of Ecclesiastes was to emphasize the >unfruitfulness of a life separated from God.

>So if one lives without God, their life is "vanity" according to >Solomon.

It's amazing how YOU read such a message. I read Animals die and so do humans.

How did you translate it into such a complex message when in reality the message is so simple?

You go on to say

>With a disconnection from God, they are viewed to have as much >chance of gaining God's gift of everlasting life as do the animals.

I don't read that. Where did you get that? Can you read the bible without decoding it through a Watchtower magazine?

Are you an active witness?

One thing I noticed with witnesses you always get the Watchtower approved answer never a personal oppinion. It's a shame really. Everyone seems to be a clone of each other rather than an individual.
With the ability to think independantly.

Sometimes the message in the bible seems very simple but I found The Society seems to translate it to whatever point they are trying to make at that particular time.

ie more witnessing, stay loyal despite our errors, know what I mean?

Thanks for your input Gopher.

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The eventuality of man is the same as animals

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was it ezicle who said the eventuality of man is the same as for the animal, as one dies so does the other.

or something like that.. man has to die because he sinned, that's the price one has to pay.

what sins have animals committed?

OlderTom

Was it Ezicle who said the eventuality of man is the same as for the animal, as one dies so does the other. Or something like that.

Man has to die because he sinned, that's the price one has to pay. What sins have animals committed? Why do they have to die?

Well we know the answer don't we? Everything has to die, nothing lives forever. Why should man be any different?

Questions questions questions, always questions.

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Does the Watchtower break up famelies?

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my word it does.. when i started studying with the witlesses all of my family and inlaws deserted me for following a stupit cult.

my wife divorced me and my children won't talk to me.. that's ok because according to jdubs that proves it's the truth.. as i progressed in "the truth(tm)" all my friends started to abandon me because i was always going to those booring meetings.. when i found someone i liked in "the truth" and started associating with her, some of my witness friends tried to break up the friendship.. ie break up another family before it even starts.. after i married her without getting the elder permission, some of my jdub friends tried to df me, to show how much they loved me.. when they failed to df me some of my witless friends decided to shun me anyway even though the elders pronounced us no guilty.. i should have sued the bastards for slander.

today i'd just give him (the instigator) a good hiding.

OlderTom

My word it does.

When I started studying with the witlesses all of my family and inlaws deserted me for following a stupit cult. My wife divorced me and my children won't talk to me.

That's ok because according to JDubs that proves it's the truth.

As I progressed in "the truth(TM)" all my friends started to abandon me because I was always going to those booring meetings.

When I found someone I liked in "the truth" and started associating with her, some of my witness friends tried to break up the friendship.

ie break up another family before it even starts.

After I married her without getting the elder permission, some of my JDub friends tried to DF me, to show how much they loved me.

When they failed to DF me some of my Witless friends decided to shun me anyway even though the elders pronounced us NO GUILTY.

I should have sued the bastards for slander. Today I'd just give him (the instigator) a good hiding. Instant justice.

But that's ok too because Jesus said by the love they have for one another you will know my disciples. And by their fruits you will know them. A rotten tree cannot bear good fruit. But then what would Jesus know. Anyway the 144000 are the way to salvation now Jesus is obsolete.

After I stopped going to their meetings my witless friends were so concerned about my wellbeing NONE of them called to find out if I'm Ok.

The loving shepheards of the flock read Jesus parable about the shepheard who had 100 sheep and one of them got lost. the good shepheard immediately left the 99 to look for the lost one. The elder translated it this way. A bird in the Hall is worth 2 in the lost, and did what they do best 'nothing'.

I am still waiting for my first shephearding visit after nearly 5 Years. I might have gone back but now it's too late.

By the love they have for on another you will know them Jesus said.

Nuff said?

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YoungerTom is lidgit.

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we have a new poster on the board he posts as youngertom.

i know him personnaly.

he's fairdinkum.. i just converted him from lurker to poster.

OlderTom

We have a new poster on the board he posts as YoungerTom. I know him personnaly.

He's fairdinkum.

I just converted him from Lurker to Poster. Hey should that go into my monthly report as a new study or something?

Anyway go easy on him till he finds his feet.

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Would you slam the door in his face?

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if a man knocked on your door and introduced himself as jesus christ son of jehovah, would you ask him in and feed him or would you slam the door in his face and call the cops?.

if your daughter came home pregnant and claimed it was an imaculate conception, would you believe her?.

why do you believe in the other virgin birth?.

OlderTom

If a man knocked on your door and introduced himself as Jesus Christ son of Jehovah, would you ask him in and feed him or would you slam the door in his face and call the cops?

If your daughter came home pregnant and claimed it was an imaculate conception, would you believe her?

Why do you believe in the other virgin birth?

How do you justify the difference?

;-)

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Would keep going to the boring meetings?

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if the society said tomorrow.. " sorry folks we made a mistake there is going to be no new system at the end of life you just die and go to your grave and that's it.

" would you keep going to those booring meetings or would you live life to the full?.

;-)

OlderTom

If the Society said tomorrow.. " Sorry folks we made a mistake there is going to be no new system at the end of life you just die and go to your grave and that's it." would you keep going to those booring meetings or would you live life to the full?

;-)

Would you keep shunning?

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if the society changed it's mind and said shunning is no longer compulsary, would you start treating your old dfed friends as friends again or would you continnue to treat them like sh!t.. ;-).

would you remain a closet apostate or would you come out?.

would the kingdoom halls empty overnight?

OlderTom

If the Society changed it's mind and said shunning is no longer compulsary, would you start treating your old DFed friends as friends again or would you continnue to treat them like sh!t.

;-)

Would you remain a closet apostate or would you come out?

Would the Kingdoom halls empty overnight?