"If a bum like me can make it, anybody can." - Robert Mitchum (actor).
Posts by Vidqun
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I need nothing else
by MsGrowingGirl20 ini just want to be a true christian..i love god and jesus christ....all i simply want is to be a follower of christ...a genuine one...i don't want to read matthew 23 and know that it aptly fits my situation...i want to feel refreshed under the love of my father...i don't want to fake anymore...i shouldn't even have felt the need to anyway.... i don't know what to do....i'm tired and all i want to do is serve the almighty god...i don't want to have doubts because that alone makes me know that this isn't what god wants...i just want to truthfully be a follower of jesus...a true one.
gosh....i feel as though my life has no direction...all i want to do is follow christ the right way.... i'm sorry for rambling on....
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Vidqun
Another scripture I like: "Does not the ear itself test out words, as the palate tastes food?" (Job 12:11). That's how I go through life, if it leaves a bad taste in the mouth, I avoid it in future.
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I need nothing else
by MsGrowingGirl20 ini just want to be a true christian..i love god and jesus christ....all i simply want is to be a follower of christ...a genuine one...i don't want to read matthew 23 and know that it aptly fits my situation...i want to feel refreshed under the love of my father...i don't want to fake anymore...i shouldn't even have felt the need to anyway.... i don't know what to do....i'm tired and all i want to do is serve the almighty god...i don't want to have doubts because that alone makes me know that this isn't what god wants...i just want to truthfully be a follower of jesus...a true one.
gosh....i feel as though my life has no direction...all i want to do is follow christ the right way.... i'm sorry for rambling on....
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Vidqun
MsGG20, How are you with languages. If you are really interested in the Bible, you have to study its original languages Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek. Latin would also come in handy. A Rabbi once remarked: "Reading the Hebrew Scriptures in translation is like kissing your bride through a veil." You are going to College, so perhaps a few courses in that direction might help. If not, second best thing are the commentaries. But then you have always to keep in mind that they are the opinions of men. Then you've got to test all things and hold on to what is good (cf. Eph. 5:10; 1 Thes. 5:21).
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What happened to Rolf Furuli?
by Vidqun inrolf seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth.
he is not active on b-hebrew or other message boards anymore.
i wrote to him with a query, and has not heard a thing.
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Slimboyfat: What was the "Awatu incident"?
On JWN, under thread "Rolf Furuli," you can read all about it. In order to follow, you need to look up the posts on b-Hebrew. Rolf published a book on Hebrew Aspect/Tense and he was given a hard time because Awatu Publishers is his company, which he didn't advertise. I admit, he did fib a little, but nothing serious. Of course his fellow scholars was quick to pick up on it. He was quite vocal as a JW apologist, but this seemed to have silenced him. Perhaps he realized that he was defending the indefensible.
I respect Rolf and his views. I believe he is sincere in what he believes. My humble opinion is that instead of going solo, he tied his research too closely to the tenets of the Watchtower Corporation. And as we know, those are slowly but surely unravelling. He should have done his research indepenent of the WTS. I would dearly have liked to hear his opinion on current events, e.g., the UN-NGO debacle.
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"Overlapping Generations"... one year later...
by Alfred inwow, it's hard to believe it's already been about a year since this subject was covered in the wt study at kindgom halls around the globe... let's read it just one more time, so we don't forget just how ridiculous this sounded when we first read it.... watchtower (study edition), april 15th, 2010 issue, pages 27-29:.
"this magazine has long been used by the faithful and discreet slave as the primary channel for dispensing increased light.
... what does this explanation mean to us?
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Vidqun
Please Moshe, you're giving the Chimps a bad name here. I have to defend all Chimps. They're not that stupid.
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Cofty -- well wishes
by talesin ini've been looking for a thread, but can't see one ..... .
our fellow member cofty, should be through his surgery, and i'm just sending love and healing energy for his recovery.. .
any well-wishes, prayers, thoughts ..... please join in!.
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Vidqun
Everything of the best. Hope to hear from you soon. Hands off those cute little nurses. Look but do not touch, otherwise you'll have to deal with Mrs. Cofty. Just to inform you, I've ordered a few books from Amazon, amongst them "The Selfish Gene" (Dawkins), "the Structure of Evolutionary Theory" (Gould), "Adaptation" (Rose) and "Word Biblical Commentary: Daniel" (Goldingay). Sorry, couldn't help the last one, it's a weakness. Usually takes a few weeks.
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Is the Watchtower shy about repeating their new "generation" teaching?
by slimboyfat inas i recall in the 1980s talks and watchtower literature, magazines and books were always talking about the "generation" teaching and how it proved armageddon was going to come any day now.. but am i correct in thinking they have only actually mentioned the new "overlapping generations" teaching once or twice in the literature?
why are they so shy about talking about their great new interpretation?
it's almost enough to make you suspect they are a embarrassed about it.. mention it once or twice, don't dwell on it, hope everyone just accepts it, and don't bring it up again.
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Oh where's Eggnog when you need him? I wish he would explain the following text, by using the Society's new light.
NWT Deuteronomy 5:9 You must not bow down to them or be led to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons and upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
Who exactly is it that will get punished here? With a generation (= overlapping groups) everybody will get punished, and for a long, long time. Nope, it makes no sense at all. Help, Djeggnog!
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What apostates fail to recognize is...
by nananana inyou can cut & paste all the excerpts from articles you want...you can leak all the boe letters, you can pretend to be witnesses and come to the conventions and meetings...but.
no other organization can begin to rival the success and magnitude of the prophecy found in mt 24:14. so apostates....don't waste your time spending countless hours digging up articles and reading books to convince yourself to turn away from jh's organization.
no matter what "evidence" you find you cannot ignore the obvious fulfillment of matthew 24:14.. .
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Nanana, allow me to show you Matt. 24:14 from a different perspective. Please follow the Prophetic Timeline based on WT theology (I would be worried if I were you):
NWT Mark 13:10 Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.
NWT Matthew 24:14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
w95 9/1 16
Looking forward especially to our time, Jesus said: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14; Mark 13:10) Has this prophecy been fulfilled? Indeed, it has. From a small start in 1919, the preaching of the good news has now been extended to more than 230 countries. The witness is heard in the frozen North and in the steaming tropics. Large continents are covered, and remote islands are sought out so that their inhabitants can receive a witness.
Prophetic fulfillment: 1919 – 1991
Disgusting Thing Causing Desolation
NWT Matthew 24:15 Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,)
NWT Mark 13:14a However, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it ought not (let the reader use discernment),
World Government (1977) go, chap. 9, p. 152, par. 9: “The “Sign” of Imminence of the World Government”:
We have also observed the “placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation” in the ‘setting up’ of a man-made substitute for God’s Messianic kingdom, namely, the League of Nations, in 1919, and its successor, the United Nations, in 1945. (Matthew 24:4-15; Daniel 12:11)
w99 5/1 p. 17 par. 16 “Let the Reader Use Discernment”
Since the start of the great tribulation is yet future, is the “standing in a holy place” still ahead of us? Evidently so. While “the disgusting thing” made its appearance early in this century and has, thus, existed for decades, it will take a position in a unique way “in a holy place” in the near future.
Disgusting Thing Taking Up A Unique Position
When did “the disgusting thing causing desolation” take up a unique position?
To see this, one needs discernment. Not all will see it. On 8 October 2001 the UK-based newspaper The Guardian broke the story of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York enjoying associate member status of the UN’s Department of Information. Commenting on the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York having been a Non Governmental Organization (NGO) of the UN DPI, Paul Hoeffel, Chief of the NGO section of the Department of Information, reports: “This organization applied for association with DPI in 1991 and was granted association in 1992. By accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria associated with DPI, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities.” True to this mandate, a number of articles were published, espousing the virtues of the disgusting thing causing desolation, e.g., Awake! magazine of 22 July 2001, published a pro-UN article on “Volunteerism!”
Prophetic fulfilment: 1992 – 2001
Time to Flee
NWT Matthew 24:16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.
NWT Mark 13:14b then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.
There is great trouble in store for those calling themselves God’s people, especially anointed ones. Read scriptures like Ez. 38, 39; Dan. 8:13, 14; 11:40-45; 12:7; Zech. 13:8-14:5; Rev. 11:7, 8. Jesus warned: When one catches sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, “standing in a holy place”, “standing where it ought not”, then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains (cf. Matt. 24:15; Mark 13:14). Here i t should be noted that while the fulfillment of Jesus’ words in 66-70 CE can help us to understand how they will be fulfilled at the great tribulation, the two fulfillments cannot be exactly parallel because the fulfillments occur against different backdrops (see w99 5/1 19, 20).
What mountains would Jesus be referring to? These cannot be “the mountains of Israel”, because these are going to be invaded (cf. Ezek. 38:8, 16, 18, 21; 39:4). This can only point to the mountains, mentioned by the prophet Zechariah (14:4, 5), more specifically to the valley formed between those two mountains (cf. Is. 26:20, 21) .
Prophetic fulfilment: 2002 –
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Laying on their side for 3 days
by exwhyzee init's been so long since i was at a meeting that i'm beginning to forget a lot of the nonsense i used to know, but does anyone remember how the society used to say that when the gb members were imprisioned around 1919 it fullfilled the prophesy about the prophet laying on his side for 3 days in the roadway ?.
what was that all about and how does their belief regarding their role in fulfilling this prophesy effect the new thinking on the definition of "generation" ?
it seems like they just had to amend the term "generation" in order to keep the year 1914 relevant as well as all the other supposed fullfilments of prophesy they thought they were part of.
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Vidqun
Are you thinking of the prophet Ezekiel? He had to picture the siege of Jerusalem by lying on his side (Ez. 4:1-7). He had to lay on his side for 390 days for Israel and 40 days for Judah. I think in the Ezekiel book they apply it to Christendom. Not sure what the recent explanation is.
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Hoist by their own petard: Using w86 4/1 30, 31 for your own defence
by rory-ks inthe april 1, 1986, watchtower, questions from readers is still the basis upon which jehovah's witnesses see fit to act against so-called apostates.
it is, however, completely shot through with discrepancies and weak arguments.
all of these can be used to build a solid defence.
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Vidqun
Jehovah’s Witnesses declare as good news something beyond what Paul declared. C.T. Russell identified the 144,000 as literal number of elite elect, and the great crowd as a lesser class of Christian. From 1935, Rutherford widened this difference even more with the earthly class.
If Russel and Rutherford were alive today, they would have been disfellowshipped.