Metatron, China's national debt is only $5 trillion, which is nicely balanced out by her foreign reserves, about $4 trillion. The US national debt is moving towards $18 trillion. Surprisingly, Japan's national debt of $13 trillion is the worst.
Posts by Vidqun
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23China overtakes U.S. as the the world's largest economy'--WT predictions upside down?
by exWTslave inchina overtakes u.s. as the the world's largest economy': imf says.*.
again problem for writing committee of jws?
after ussr disintegration, jws said: now we have only one world power (south king) on the world scene, and north king will appear in its own time, may be as one of the former ussr state or as some other communist country.. but now equations are now totally upside downwith a communist country replacing the south kings as the world power!?.
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Early Evidence for 1 John 5: 7
by Perry initalic 4th and 5th century.
629 in the 14th century.
429 in the 14th century (margin).
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Vidqun
1 Tim. 3:16 follows a similar route. Metzger makes the following conclusion:
Thus, no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports θεός; all ancient versions presuppose ὅς or ὅ; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading θεός. The reading θεός arose either (a) accidentally, through the misreading of ος as ΘΣ, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs, or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision.[1]
[ 1] Metzger, B. M., & United Bible Societies. (1994). A textual commentary on the Greek New Testament, second edition a companion volume to the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament (4th rev. ed.) (573–574). London; New York: United Bible Societies.
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Early Evidence for 1 John 5: 7
by Perry initalic 4th and 5th century.
629 in the 14th century.
429 in the 14th century (margin).
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Vidqun
Perry, the fact that it comes from the Latin (and late Greek MSS) indicates that it was a later interpolation or text note that was incorporated into the main text. Here's Metzger's Commentary:
5:7–8 μαρτυροῦντες , 8 τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα {A}
After μαρτυροῦντες the Textus Receptus adds the following: ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ Πατήρ, ὁ Λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἔν εἰσι. (8) καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ. That these words are spurious and have no right to stand in the New Testament is certain in the light of the following considerations.
(A) External Evidence. (1) The passage is absent from every known Greek manuscript except eight, and these contain the passage in what appears to be a translation from a late recension of the Latin Vulgate.
(2) The passage is quoted by none of the Greek Fathers, who, had they known it, would most certainly have employed it in the Trinitarian controversies (Sabellian and Arian). Its first appearance in Greek is in a Greek version of the (Latin) Acts of the Lateran Council in 1215.
(3) The passage is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic), except the Latin; and it is not found (a ) in the Old Latin in its early form (Tertullia n Cypria n Augustin e ), or in the Vulgate ( b ) as issued by Jerome (codex Fuldensis [copied a.d. 541–46] and codex Amiatinus [copied before a.d. 716]) or ( c ) as revised by Alcuin (first hand of codex Vallicellianus [ninth century]).
The earliest instance of the passage being quoted as a part of the actual text of the Epistle is in a fourth century Latin treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus (chap. 4), attributed either to the Spanish heretic Priscillian (died about 385) or to his follower Bishop Instantius. Apparently the gloss arose when the original passage was understood to symbolize the Trinity (through the mention of three witnesses: the Spirit, the water, and the blood), an interpretation that may have been written first as a marginal note that afterwards found its way into the text. In the fifth century the gloss was quoted by Latin Fathers in North Africa and Italy as part of the text of the Epistle, and from the sixth century onwards it is found more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and of the Vulgate. In these various witnesses the wording of the passage differs in several particulars. (For examples of other intrusions into the Latin text of 1 John, see 2.17; 4.3; 5.6, and 20.)
(B) Internal Probabilities . (1) As regards transcriptional probability, if the passage were original, no good reason can be found to account for its omission, either accidentally or intentionally, by copyists of hundreds of Greek manuscripts, and by translators of ancient versions.
(2) As regards intrinsic probability, the passage makes an awkward break in the sense.
For the story of how the spurious words came to be included in the Textus Receptus, see any critical commentary on 1 John, or Metzger, The Text of the New Testament, pp. 101 f.; cf. also Ezra Abbot, “I. John v. 7 and Luther’s German Bible,” in The Authorship of the Fourth Gospel and Other Critical Essays (Boston, 1888), pp. 458–463. [1]
{A} {A} The letter {A} signifies that the text is certain.
Tertullian Tertullian (d. after 220)
Metzger The Text of the New Testament, Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration, by Bruce M. Metzger (Oxford, 1964; 3rd ed., 1992).
cf. confer (compare)
[1] Metzger, B. M., & United Bible Societies. (1994). A textual commentary on the Greek New Testament, second edition a companion volume to the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament (4th rev. ed.) (647–649). London ; New York : United Bible Societies.
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my first post! (long read sorry in advance)
by Letts Party inlong time lurker, first time poster here finally looking to get some things off my chest.
i've always been a very curious person with tons of questions about everything, and i also care deeply particularly about societal issues like social injustice, racism, and homophobia.
that, coupled with how boneheaded all the elders in my congregation are (except for one), led me to ask even more questions that led me to find ttatt.. .
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Vidqun
Welcome Lets Party! Just last night I shared with my mother that I am glad not to be associated with the Witnesses anymore. With them there is a very thin line between their conditional love and hate. I am not like that. I am an open, liberally-minded person. With me, what you see is what you get. Now I have peace of mind, which I will not exchange for anything.
As you grow in your understanding of TTATT, you will experience being tolerated, to being frowned upon, to being despised, which translates into pure hatred. Let this not come as a surpise, for this is what they are taught, something very far removed from the spirit of true Christianity. Everything of the best with your new path in life.
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How would you answer?
by punkofnice ina friend of mine (who is waking up), recently had the elders do a sheep herding visit.. they were browbeating my friend about attending meetings.
my friend has been ill and unable to attend anyway.. what response would you give to this garbage?.
if we were in a house and it was on fire and we couldnt walk we would have to crawl.. an example of a sister with an iron lung was brought up to show that if shes in this condition, we need to examine ourselves.
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Vidqun
Punky, one question. They are encouraging the ill sister to attend meetings. Did the sister in the iron lung attend meetings? That's very unlikely, so that is a pathetic example. And if you are ill, say with flue (or Ebola), then it would be a loving gesture to stay home, otherwise you infect all those at the KH. When I hear such things, one thought crosses my mind: S*#it for brains!
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
As for Viv's criteria, I have good news for you. You will be able to apply those after the resurrection (cf. Dan. 12:13). There will be eye witnesses around that will be able to tell you what had transpired. Then you will be able find out first hand what was predicted and how it came to be. Until then, you will have to use discernment and good judgment when sorting through the reports of writers and historians, some accurate, some not so accurate. After looking at the full picture (of history), you will be in a position to prove or disprove your theory or hypothesis.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
I am not clued up with Ezekiel or his prophecies. I quote what I could find on the subject. Unfortunately I am not in a position to judge whether it happened or not. I just don't know. I wasn't there. But that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. If Cyrus could divert the Euphrates, surely Nebuchadnezzar could divert some of the Nile Canals.
After viewing this prophecy in its entirety, I am convinced that it did happen exactly as foretold. The Israelites were warned to subject themselves under the Babylonians, and not to flee to Egypt. If they refused, there would be dire consequences. There were. Jerusalem was sacked and the nation had to go into exile. But you skeptics would say all done after the fact even if there is evidence to the contrary. That's your prerogative. You believe what you want.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Ilikecheese, has a point. If one can “prove” prophecy, that would be an indication that God exists. That’s why I would catogorize myself as a theist, until such time as I am proven wrong.
For Punky: Seems like Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt, but the information is scanty. One thing I know for sure, Egypt was never the same after his invasion. From then on Egypt was a secondary power:
Following the pacification of the Phoenician state of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet, now in the BritishMuseum, states: "In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mizraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad." [1]
The following article discusses the next chapter (Is. 30). Scholars split the two, because Nebuchadnezzar would only fulfill Is. 29. Much later Cambyses and Ptolemy Lathyrus would do the rest.
Significantly enough, then, Egypt’s history records the fulfillment of more striking prophecy than does any other nation’s. Their mighty capital, Thebes, has fallen in ruin just as Ezekiel foretold (ch. 30:14–16). By No the Scriptures generally designate the magnificent city of Thebes. “Such vast and surprising remains are still to be seen,” says Pococke, “of such magnificence, and solidity, as may convince any one who beholds them that, without some extraordinary accident, they must have lasted forever; which seems to have been the intention of the founders of them.” However, there are no accidents with God. Thebes sank beneath two of the most terrible blows ever dealt by the hand of man, both of them after the prophecy of downfall. The first destruction came from Cambyses, and the second from Ptolemy Lathyrus. Not until 25 BC was the third part of Ezekiel’s prophecy fulfilled, when the city was finally broken up into separate villages. [2]
[ 1] Elgood, Percival George. 1951. Later Dynasties of Egypt. Oxford: Basil Blackwell, p. 106.
[2] Bibliotheca Sacra Volume 93. 1936 (371) (pp. 350, 351). Dallas, TX: Dallas Theological Seminary.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
Viv, after all we've been through, you're like a stuck record, specific names, dates and events. And I repeat, it would be impossible to get first hand knowledge of these things unless you have a time machine. And the Council of Jamnia was your straw man (Phizzy also assisted there). Did you not read the quote from Prof. Kahle's book? You're right, it's not important, but you made an issue out of it. I looked it up and found a lot of conflicting sources. But you were so sure of yourself, I thought you had proof, but actually you've only got the opinion of the person that wrote the Wikipedia article. What an anticlimax!
Hi there Punky, good to hear from you. Perhaps the Israelites were disobedient to their God, and did not follow orders. Concerning the Jebusites, eventually David got rid of them, if I remember correctly. Better late than never. Not sure of Ezekiel's prophecy concerning Egypt though. Let me look it up and see what I can unearth.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
Are you not following the thread? You are so sure of yourself, "an outright fabrication," a sweeping statement indeed, for which I need proof.