You should sympathize with him and feel sorry for him. Think of how he must suffer, sitting through a meeting, an assembly, even knocking on doors... knowing TTATT.
Posts by Vidqun
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14He Got Reinstated . . .
by Hamahead infeeling low today.
i haven't posted for a long time (forgotten log in details = new username) i'm in a good place with my family now and have built a life outside the religion.. today i found out a good friend has gone back and got himself reinstated to be able to have contact with his elderly mother.
that is the only reason apparently.
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Keeping up with Jehovahs chariot?
by Vidqun inwitnesses are quick to remind us to keep up with jehovahs chariot.
perhaps they should examine the context of the chariot, mentioned by ezekiel.
they always quote the first part (ezek.
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Vidqun
Witnesses are quick to remind us to keep up with Jehovah’s chariot. Perhaps they should examine the context of the chariot, mentioned by Ezekiel. They always quote the first part (Ezek. 1 ). Perhaps one should remind them of the second part ( Ezek. 10 ), where it is moving away from the temple and Jerusalem because of the bad things happening in the city. Does that sound familiar? Lesson for us: Perhaps now is a good time to follow Jehovah’s chariot and get the hell out of Dodge!
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I'm tired of the org misquoting scholars to support there heretical NWT
by yogosans14 inday after day jws are constantly fighting with me over the internet that the nwt is the most accurate translation and then they prove it by quoting scholars from the watchtower magazines.
they tell me i'm biased and there rendering of john 1:1 as "a god" is approved by scholars but i have researched there so called "supporters" and i have found they have tooken what they said out of context to twist the scriptures to there liking.. .
dr. julius r. mantey (who is even recognized by the watchtower as a greek scholar since they quote his book on page 1158 of their kingdom interlinear translation): calls the watchtower translation of john 1:1 "a grossly misleading translation.
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Vidqun
Yes, the Society do cherry-pick quotes that suit them and their agenda. But in this case, I agree with Wonderment. Things are not that simple. I think Mantey did not want to be associated with a cult, so one can sympathize with his situation. But he was certainly biased and not exactly truthful.
In the eighties, while a Witness, I had a few useful discussions with two theological students, concerning a few problematic scriptures, John 1:1, amongst others. After the discussion, one informed me of one of their Greek textbooks that agreed with my stance as a Witness. He actually gave me a copy of the book. In it there’s an interesting footnote:
In ancient manuscripts which did not differentiate between capital and small letters, there would be no way of distinguishing between Өεὸς (‘God’) and θεὸς (‘god’). Therefore as far as grammar alone is concerned, such a sentence could be printed θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος, which would mean either, ‘The Word is a god,’ or ‘The Word is the god.’ The interpretation of John 1.1 will depend upon whether or not the writer is held to believe in only one God or in more than one god. It will be noticed that above rules for the special uses of the definite article are none of them rigid and without exceptions. It is wiser not to use them as a basis for theological argument until the student has reached an advanced stage in the knowledge of the language. For a full treatment, see Blass-Debrunner-Funk, A Greek Grammar of the New Testament, Part III, 8, esp. para. 273; Moulton-Turner, A Grammar of New Testament Greek, III, 182 ff. [1]
[1] J. W. Wenham, The Elements of New Testament Greek, Cambridge University Press, p. 35, footnote 2.
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China overtakes U.S. as the the world's largest economy'--WT predictions upside down?
by exWTslave inchina overtakes u.s. as the the world's largest economy': imf says.*.
again problem for writing committee of jws?
after ussr disintegration, jws said: now we have only one world power (south king) on the world scene, and north king will appear in its own time, may be as one of the former ussr state or as some other communist country.. but now equations are now totally upside downwith a communist country replacing the south kings as the world power!?.
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Vidqun
Metatron, China's national debt is only $5 trillion, which is nicely balanced out by her foreign reserves, about $4 trillion. The US national debt is moving towards $18 trillion. Surprisingly, Japan's national debt of $13 trillion is the worst.
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Early Evidence for 1 John 5: 7
by Perry initalic 4th and 5th century.
629 in the 14th century.
429 in the 14th century (margin).
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Vidqun
1 Tim. 3:16 follows a similar route. Metzger makes the following conclusion:
Thus, no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports θεός; all ancient versions presuppose ὅς or ὅ; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading θεός. The reading θεός arose either (a) accidentally, through the misreading of ος as ΘΣ, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs, or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision.[1]
[ 1] Metzger, B. M., & United Bible Societies. (1994). A textual commentary on the Greek New Testament, second edition a companion volume to the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament (4th rev. ed.) (573–574). London; New York: United Bible Societies.
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Early Evidence for 1 John 5: 7
by Perry initalic 4th and 5th century.
629 in the 14th century.
429 in the 14th century (margin).
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Vidqun
Perry, the fact that it comes from the Latin (and late Greek MSS) indicates that it was a later interpolation or text note that was incorporated into the main text. Here's Metzger's Commentary:
5:7–8 μαρτυροῦντες , 8 τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα {A}
After μαρτυροῦντες the Textus Receptus adds the following: ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ Πατήρ, ὁ Λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἔν εἰσι. (8) καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ. That these words are spurious and have no right to stand in the New Testament is certain in the light of the following considerations.
(A) External Evidence. (1) The passage is absent from every known Greek manuscript except eight, and these contain the passage in what appears to be a translation from a late recension of the Latin Vulgate.
(2) The passage is quoted by none of the Greek Fathers, who, had they known it, would most certainly have employed it in the Trinitarian controversies (Sabellian and Arian). Its first appearance in Greek is in a Greek version of the (Latin) Acts of the Lateran Council in 1215.
(3) The passage is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic), except the Latin; and it is not found (a ) in the Old Latin in its early form (Tertullia n Cypria n Augustin e ), or in the Vulgate ( b ) as issued by Jerome (codex Fuldensis [copied a.d. 541–46] and codex Amiatinus [copied before a.d. 716]) or ( c ) as revised by Alcuin (first hand of codex Vallicellianus [ninth century]).
The earliest instance of the passage being quoted as a part of the actual text of the Epistle is in a fourth century Latin treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus (chap. 4), attributed either to the Spanish heretic Priscillian (died about 385) or to his follower Bishop Instantius. Apparently the gloss arose when the original passage was understood to symbolize the Trinity (through the mention of three witnesses: the Spirit, the water, and the blood), an interpretation that may have been written first as a marginal note that afterwards found its way into the text. In the fifth century the gloss was quoted by Latin Fathers in North Africa and Italy as part of the text of the Epistle, and from the sixth century onwards it is found more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and of the Vulgate. In these various witnesses the wording of the passage differs in several particulars. (For examples of other intrusions into the Latin text of 1 John, see 2.17; 4.3; 5.6, and 20.)
(B) Internal Probabilities . (1) As regards transcriptional probability, if the passage were original, no good reason can be found to account for its omission, either accidentally or intentionally, by copyists of hundreds of Greek manuscripts, and by translators of ancient versions.
(2) As regards intrinsic probability, the passage makes an awkward break in the sense.
For the story of how the spurious words came to be included in the Textus Receptus, see any critical commentary on 1 John, or Metzger, The Text of the New Testament, pp. 101 f.; cf. also Ezra Abbot, “I. John v. 7 and Luther’s German Bible,” in The Authorship of the Fourth Gospel and Other Critical Essays (Boston, 1888), pp. 458–463. [1]
{A} {A} The letter {A} signifies that the text is certain.
Tertullian Tertullian (d. after 220)
Metzger The Text of the New Testament, Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration, by Bruce M. Metzger (Oxford, 1964; 3rd ed., 1992).
cf. confer (compare)
[1] Metzger, B. M., & United Bible Societies. (1994). A textual commentary on the Greek New Testament, second edition a companion volume to the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament (4th rev. ed.) (647–649). London ; New York : United Bible Societies.
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my first post! (long read sorry in advance)
by Letts Party inlong time lurker, first time poster here finally looking to get some things off my chest.
i've always been a very curious person with tons of questions about everything, and i also care deeply particularly about societal issues like social injustice, racism, and homophobia.
that, coupled with how boneheaded all the elders in my congregation are (except for one), led me to ask even more questions that led me to find ttatt.. .
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Vidqun
Welcome Lets Party! Just last night I shared with my mother that I am glad not to be associated with the Witnesses anymore. With them there is a very thin line between their conditional love and hate. I am not like that. I am an open, liberally-minded person. With me, what you see is what you get. Now I have peace of mind, which I will not exchange for anything.
As you grow in your understanding of TTATT, you will experience being tolerated, to being frowned upon, to being despised, which translates into pure hatred. Let this not come as a surpise, for this is what they are taught, something very far removed from the spirit of true Christianity. Everything of the best with your new path in life.
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How would you answer?
by punkofnice ina friend of mine (who is waking up), recently had the elders do a sheep herding visit.. they were browbeating my friend about attending meetings.
my friend has been ill and unable to attend anyway.. what response would you give to this garbage?.
if we were in a house and it was on fire and we couldnt walk we would have to crawl.. an example of a sister with an iron lung was brought up to show that if shes in this condition, we need to examine ourselves.
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Vidqun
Punky, one question. They are encouraging the ill sister to attend meetings. Did the sister in the iron lung attend meetings? That's very unlikely, so that is a pathetic example. And if you are ill, say with flue (or Ebola), then it would be a loving gesture to stay home, otherwise you infect all those at the KH. When I hear such things, one thought crosses my mind: S*#it for brains!
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
As for Viv's criteria, I have good news for you. You will be able to apply those after the resurrection (cf. Dan. 12:13). There will be eye witnesses around that will be able to tell you what had transpired. Then you will be able find out first hand what was predicted and how it came to be. Until then, you will have to use discernment and good judgment when sorting through the reports of writers and historians, some accurate, some not so accurate. After looking at the full picture (of history), you will be in a position to prove or disprove your theory or hypothesis.
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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Vidqun
I am not clued up with Ezekiel or his prophecies. I quote what I could find on the subject. Unfortunately I am not in a position to judge whether it happened or not. I just don't know. I wasn't there. But that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. If Cyrus could divert the Euphrates, surely Nebuchadnezzar could divert some of the Nile Canals.
After viewing this prophecy in its entirety, I am convinced that it did happen exactly as foretold. The Israelites were warned to subject themselves under the Babylonians, and not to flee to Egypt. If they refused, there would be dire consequences. There were. Jerusalem was sacked and the nation had to go into exile. But you skeptics would say all done after the fact even if there is evidence to the contrary. That's your prerogative. You believe what you want.